Creationism & Hubble

Published on December 13, 2004 By stevendedalus In Religion

Creationists must go ballistic when reports of Hubble’s peering back into time approaching 14 billion years.

Is it a matter of human ego that the universe was created by a Judea-Christian God? Surely, the believer of the Big Bang must feel hurt that he has not been graced by the will of God. For where lies the satisfaction whose beginnings is a mere piece of erratic stardust?

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Comments (Page 3)

stevendedalus

on Dec 16, 2004

It's true that space and time are expanding but that doesn't preculude a universal dead void outside of the entire procession. Call it the mind of God, if you will.

on Dec 16, 2004

Dunno, The thing we call 'space' may be infinite, but matter and energy ( actually same thing ) are not infinite, but a rapidly expanding sphere with origin of where the big bang happened. Dunno once again... Is it possible that there's one "real" universe with infinite of big bangs happening everywhere, but with unimaginable distance between them so we can only see one 'universe'?

kingbee

on Dec 16, 2004

consider the lowly mobius strip.

Dr Guy

on Dec 16, 2004

Well, if it's expanding, then that means it's not infinite, because how could something that's already everything grow into more than everything unless everything isn't everything?

Now that is a mouth full! And insightful! Have a cookie!

Dr Guy

on Dec 16, 2004

It's true that space and time are expanding but that doesn't preculude a universal dead void outside of the entire procession. Call it the mind of God, if you will.

Someone has gotten religion!

stevendedalus

on Dec 17, 2004

Not actually religion, more a metaphor. "God" is like "marriage", both of which have sundry meanings. One may refute God but not the term--it's a prevalent symbol.

Dr Guy

on Dec 17, 2004

Not actually religion, more a metaphor. "God" is like "marriage", both of which have sundry meanings. One may refute God but not the term--it's a prevalent symbol.

That sounds kind of confusing, but if I make it out right, it indicates you are an agnostic. Does not really matter, I liked your answer anyway.

stevendedalus

on Dec 22, 2004

Wow, that's a first!

stevendedalus

on Dec 22, 2004

In the last analysis, scientist who go so far as to attribute essense as "strings"--and no matter how far they extend the "everything" theory--it will never clear up the mystery of it all.

SkyTiger

on Jan 05, 2005

I would first like to say Creationism is not a theory as defined by Science. You cannot point to a book and say that is what it says in the Bible. You also cannot discuss these things without understanding very advanced Physics. First of all Space and Time are not separate. If you look at black holes for instance, you find that time slows down and inside one it stops. You cannot ask the question what happened before the big bang becuase time did not exist. Time itself was created at the Big Bang. Where everything came from cannot really be answered as yet. We will need very powerful accelearators to reproduce the conditions at the Big Bang. Also the fact that the universe is expanding and the rate is actually increasing not decreasing. So the concept of successive big bangs looks in doubt. The main thing however is science looks at the evidence and changes its theory based on it. You cannot start with a theory and look for evidence to support it. Or rather if you adopt this approach then you have to change your theory when the evidence no longer supports it. Please read some General Relativity and Quantum Theory before you attempt to answer some of these questions.

stevendedalus

on Jan 13, 2005

That's the question. Isn't it. what was there before the big bang, and if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?

A big balloon that will ineluctably burst[?]

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ParaTed2k

on Jan 13, 2005

Hubble has shown us some very awesome sights. It has also let us peer into the far reaches of space that (up until now) have been all but invisible to us on earth. we are still stuck in a study held into the restraints of time and space. Time that is still relative to the observer and space relative to the visible spectrum.

Is it a matter of human ego that the universe was created by a Judea-Christian God?

No less a matter of human ego than to believe that if we can't quanify it, or bring it into the parameters of our human senses, it doesn't exist.

ParaTed2k

on Jan 13, 2005

Is it a matter of human ego that the universe was created by a Judea-Christian God?

No more a matter of human ego than believing that, if we can't quantify it, or bring it into the parameters of our human senses, it does not exist.

stevendedalus

on Jan 14, 2005

No more a matter of human ego than believing that, if we can't quantify it, or bring it into the parameters of our human senses, it does not exist.

Good point except for equations that abstract reason beyond senses that nonetheless make "sense."

SkyTiger

on Jan 14, 2005

First of all you cannot say the universe started from nothing. This breaks the law of conservation of Energy. In any physical process energy must be conserved. There are certain quantum mechanical processes where energy can be borrowed for a very short period of time, but it has to be returned. This is rather like a bank account. Bringing God into it does not really help. Who created God? If God has always existed why is the universe only 14 billlion years old. If there have been many versions of the universe, this does not make humans very special does it.

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