Constructive gadfly

A common belief among conservatives is that liberals lean to confiscating through progressive taxation wealth among the upper class in order to lift the boat of poverty. The right argues that by lifting the yachts, the other boats will rise, too. To some degree it is true but it is only a targeted, limited lift. If you work the gambling tables, make the beds, wait at tables, cook in the elaborate kitchens at Las Vegas you minimally benefit from the happy-go-lucky rich. If you are a yacht builder obviously you need wealthy sailors to buy them. The great corporate skyscraper office buildings require high maintenance, employing thousands  of stationary engineers and other skilled mechanics, not to mention untold thousands of white collar workers. This is simple Economics 101. A town needs only to lose its sole factory to dramatize the need for capital investment in labor.

But Economics 201 tells another story. Capital and assets do not come from heaven. Capital is symbolic of centuries of previous labors--intellectual, enterprising, and dirty--without which there would be no capital growth. Management sentinels the trust of capital; labor produces it. Conservatism tends to look at labor with contempt as if it is an activity tolerated in lieu of  action respected. They pass off low skilled labor as constituting the ill-fit among whom ambition is foreign. A career Wal-Mart checker is somehow a flunkey of  his or her own destiny, and can never be captains of their souls. That Tiger Wood says "if I can do it so can you" is utter fantasy and strangely denigrates the superhero. The you in this case presupposes potential talent and few are thus blest. It is a given that extraordinary talent generates the economy, whether it be in sports, entertainment or industry, from concession stands, caterers, ticket-takers, digital artists, window washers, assembly lineman to superstars and business moguls.

However, the economy, oblivious to capital and labor, is often taken for granted as an entity unto itself requiring little  sweat. It is the free market that somehow rises above its infrastructure of shrewd investment and grimy labor. There are investors who think only of profit first, people second. Others put people first, fully aware that their workers and consumers are the essential conflation to enhance profit that generates not only private but common wealth. Conservatives are infamous in their view that without the aristocracy of capital there would be no jobs, forgetting whence that capital came to begin with--back-breaking labor. They tend to forget that their ancestral roots were coal miners, waitresses, laundresses, elevator operators, farmers, railway workers, teachers, nurses, highway and bridge builders ad infinitum. The few that do remember praise their ancestry for being hard workers so that their descendants can work smarter, but in considering those who still do not work smart is owing to a hereditary flaw earmarked as inferior natural selection. Liberals, too, forget their roots, yet somehow muddle through to at least see some value in common labor, which in real terms has earned a larger share of the pie--hardly confiscatory when labor's value is so essential to the well-being of the nation. Whether Wall Street,  the executive offices of corporations, the White House and Congress  stay open, a nation-wide labor strike would cause the economy to collapse.     

   

Copyright © 2006 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: January 30, 2006.

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Comments
on Jan 30, 2006
This may come as a shock, but I disagree. ;~D

To me, conservatives don't look down on the unskilled laborer as lazy or even a "flunkey" because of any thought that they lack ambition. Conservatives simply look at unskilled laborers as victims who need the government to take care of them. When I have worked what you call "flunkey" jobs, it has been by choice. The people I worked with weren't held there by gunpoint (either physically or figuratively), in fact, most of them were satisfied with the lifestyle working the job afforded them. Sure, everyone of us would have rather made more money, or had better benefits, but that's a different subject.

I had many consversations with people in manual labor jobs. Each had their own reason for being there, but there were a few things that were pretty much common for any of them who had been there more than around 6 months to a year. One of the most memorable was, they were there because of their own choices, not because they were forced. Most could have gone to college or a technical school, but chose not to. Most could "rise above" their socioeconomic position in life, but aren't willing to do what would be required of them to do so.

Getting ahead in a capitalist society means taking risks. Taking risks means that you are willing to accept both the benefits and consequences of your choices. There are people with high degrees who end up on the streets, just as there are people with no education living high on the hog. The person willing to take the risk knows this, but sees benefits in education and technical training anyway, the person who will still be at the manual labor job sees the risk and chooses not to take it.

Neither are victims, lazy or "flunkeys", they have merely taken the risk that didn't pan out, temporarily there, or just decided that they would rather spend their free time doing other things.

In the end, micro economics in a capitalist society IS all about choices.
on Jan 30, 2006
Intelligent response for which I thank you; but you have totally missed the point of the article. You are merely spouting Economics 101--all too obvious.
on Jan 30, 2006
Intelligent response for which I thank you; but you have totally missed the point of the article. You are merely spouting Economics 101--all too obvious.
on Jan 30, 2006
Oh, I thought the point was that conservatives look down on manual laborers as "flunkeys". I was merely pointing out that that's not necessarily true. Conservatives merely look at manual laborers as people who either took risks that didn't pan out, or people who choose to live a manual labor lifestyle.

Neither mean conservatives look down on manual laborers. So, I guess I was just saying... I disagree.

The rest of your arguments were based on the idea that white collar "sweat" is somehow less important than blue collar "sweat" in making an economy run.

To me, until we forget the complete stupidity that one is more important than the other, we will continue to miss the point.

Capital doesn't come from workers anymore than it comes from management. Capital comes from those willing to work outside the security of "salary" or "wages" and accept the risks that go with it. Neither workers or management are risking anything by showing up to work. They have a guarentee of income as long as the job they do exists.

In the whole "Guns & Butter" of economics, the only difference between those willing to take risks and those who aren't comes down to one question...

Is personal income a "gun" or "butter"?

In the eyes of the "liberal" personal income seems to be only "butter" but, somehow taxed income is seen as "guns".
on Jan 30, 2006

Your Econ 201 is nothing more than Socialism 101.  IN a supply and demand economy, people are paid based upon the value they produce.  The capital is assigned a value based upon the cost of creating it.  One can arbitrarily try to set artifical prices, but they are always doomed to failure.  Because it will either cause a shortage or an excess.

If Lawn cutters in your area are charging $20/lawn, you can pay them $40 for your lawn.  But in essence you have just tipped them since you cannot dictate the price.  Your neighbors will continue to pay $20 for their lawns, amd yours will not look any better for having paid twice as much.

on Jan 30, 2006
After reading this over and over. I've come to the conclusion you're not writing about economics. You're writing about acceptance, try talking to your family. Quit the bombastic venture of putting words in the mouths of a population segment you read about on the toilet. What you think is worthy of debate is nothing more then flushing a toilet of distortion in hopes the socialistic toilet paper will hold true...guess what it's got holes.
Nobody I know looks at or speaks of labor in contempt. Fact, the opposite is true. I do know of people, including myself that can't stand those that want acceptance and care for what's nothing more then laziness.

The you in this case presupposes potential talent and few are thus blest.

Everyone has some talent if not capabilities they can work on and improve. If they do nothing other then exist, then qualities like "motivation", "desire" and "personal vision" haven't been fostered and are nothing more then dormant.

"If I can do it so can you"... I've often said that to many groups over my career. I was a down and out poor kid. Nobody gave me anything, no inheritance and on top of that I have a case of ADD that to this day has to be overcome on many levels to move forward. I choose to fight forward verses giving up to a lazyboy.

on Jan 30, 2006

Capital doesn't come from workers anymore than it comes from management. Capital comes from those willing to work outside the security of "salary" or "wages" and accept the risks that go with it. Neither workers or management are risking anything by showing up to work. They have a guarentee of income as long as the job they do exists.
Purely naive--economic 101.

To me, until we forget the complete stupidity that one is more important than the other, we will continue to miss the point.
This is exactly my point! Respect for each other. "Others put people first, fully aware that their workers and consumers are the essential conflation to enhance profit that generates not only private but common wealth."

The rest of your arguments were based on the idea that white collar "sweat" is somehow less important than blue collar "sweat" in making an economy run.
I never said or implied that. Many white collars sweat over a computer that need not require much skill.

Oh, I thought the point was that conservatives look down on manual laborers as "flunkeys"
There's a big difference between individual conservatives and the tendency of Conservatism to simply tolerate labor as tools of profit because as you say they do not go beyond and take "risks." It is no risk for a talented mechanic either to remain at his skilled job where he is respected or open his own shop--either way he's got it made because of his skill. Sure, the checker at WalMart can enroll in coninuing education and make him or herself better financially, but how many are capable or have the means? I'm talking about those who accept what they are and labor on the low end forever. They should be respected for what they are and not looked down on. 

on Jan 30, 2006

Your Econ 201 is nothing more than Socialism 101.
You dishonor my thought process, sir, with your own that is lacking.

Everyone has some talent if not capabilities they can work on and improve. If they do nothing other then exist, then qualities like "motivation", "desire" and "personal vision" haven't been fostered and are nothing more then dormant.
A very superficial observation, obviously you did not grasp the thrust of:"tend to forget that their ancestral roots were coal miners, waitresses, laundresses, elevator operators, farmers, railway workers, teachers, nurses, highway and bridge builders ad infinitum. The few that do remember praise their ancestry for being hard workers so that their descendants can work smarter, but in considering those who still do not work smart is owing to a hereditary flaw earmarked as inferior natural selection."

Titan, I shall dismiss you crude aspersions on the grounds that you fell asleep while "reading over and over": "Conservatives are infamous in their view that without the aristocracy of capital there would be no jobs, forgetting whence that capital came to begin with--back-breaking labor."

on Jan 30, 2006
The problem to me is the assumption that every job, every where, should provide a fit wage. By fit I mean a wage that will pay your rent, provide healthcare, put the kids through college, pay for retirement, etc. Many jobs were never intended to. The idea of a "lifetime walmart cashier" is bizzare to me. Career vs. Job.

Strangely, people won't pay what that would add to the cost of products. Imagine, if you will, how much a McDonald's burger would cost if the cashier who sells it to you were making a wage able to accomplish those things? Imagine how easily other nations could undercut US products if we made manditory what they couldn't care less about.

I think I have a pretty good perspective on many of the industries stevendedalus mentions. (Not to be vain, but I would swear he's refering to a couple of my posts ). I have worked at boat factories, and I am from Eastern Kentucky, so I have known my share of people in the coal industry, miners and wealthy management alike. My dad spent years during my youth as a leasing agent, acquiring propery for companies to mine.

From that perspective, I have to admit that the average person I know who chooses these mourned professions goes into it with both eyes open. I went to a rural high school where most kids went the vocational school route and opted to go straight to work. I don't remember any of them, not a single one, doing it with the idea they'd be "comforable" in the way we think of it.

Why? Because people who have steady jobs in coal mines and boat factories are usually the most comfortable in these areas. They are the people who end up owning their houses and having disposable income. In order to further structure the benefits, and by extention the profits of these companies, you have to exert control over them being able to pull out as well. Appalachia was always poor, granted, but once "reform" started cutting into the profits of these industries any job was better than no job.

I think redistribution to make all jobs 'sustainable' takes a fundamental change to human reality. Aparently it works in China with the due amount of corruption and torture, but I am dubious about how it would work here. The wealthy make jobs where they can profit, and easily cast off one effort to go to a more profitable one. I have a feeling when you try to help areas that need life-sustaining jobs, you will more often rob them of the jobs they already have.
on Jan 30, 2006
I'm talking about those who accept what they are and labor on the low end forever. They should be respected for what they are and not looked down on.


Hmmmm, that's what I said on my first comment and you congratulated me for an intelligent response, that somehow missed the point.
on Feb 02, 2006

most kids went the vocational school route and opted to go straight to work.
God bless them! We need them and they should be rewarded with at least a semblance of creature comfort. That's all I ask.

The wealthy make jobs where they can profit, and easily cast off one effort to go to a more profitable one. I have a feeling when you try to help areas that need life-sustaining jobs, you will more often rob them of the jobs they already have.
True, nevertheless, business should still think American rather than simply profit, particularly when they opt to outsource. 

on Feb 02, 2006
that's what I said on my first comment
Yes, and I in another comment agreed with you; but you passed it off without citing the deeper implications.