Liberals Are Not Pro-Abortion

Published on January 28, 2006 By stevendedalus In Politics

Most of us considerably left of center do not think of ourselves as pro-abortion. Rather, it is up to the woman, and perhaps the man implicated, who must under trying circumstance make the weighty decision to abort. Contrary to the conservative perception, liberals do not encourage abortion, but simply that it is out of the jurisdiction of politics even though some may indeed think of it as a questionable murderous process resting with the individual conscience of the decision-maker[s]. Many liberals do feel that it is rightfully a religious matter for the devoted who should seek religious counsel. Liberals do not publicly frown on those who for whatever reason make the momentous choice.

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Comments (Page 5)

Dr Guy

on Feb 01, 2006

Really? I didn't even bring the issue of abortion up in my post, so I'm not even going to respond to that one.

You just did.

davad70

on Feb 01, 2006

Really? I didn't even bring the issue of abortion up in my post, so I'm not even going to respond to that one.

You just did.

You're a little late to the party doc....the post I was referring to was the one about alito. I was addressing bakerstreet anyways, he hardly needs cheerleaders.

davad70

on Feb 01, 2006

Now...+LOL+ this ties into something I said on another thread.
Why do people on the left so often seem to think they have to be rude or obscene to show disrespect? There's no call at all for such a phrase to even be printed on a shirt. I've seen pictures from anti-Bush rallies with pictures of penises with Karl Rove's picture on the head; the caption? "Roving Cock".
They think it's cute or something, I guess. It isn't. It just shows the lefties to be over-the-top with their hate and frustration.

The thing you're not getting is that these shirts aren't about ideology. The people we buy them from could be republicans for all I know...it's just about making money. And there were equally rude ones around when Clinton was in office. Shocking and disrespectful shirts are not the exclusive domain of liberals.

Texas Wahine

on Feb 01, 2006

Shocking and disrespectful shirts are not the exclusive domain of liberals.

Nope, but they are the exclusive domain of cool people.

davad70

on Feb 01, 2006

Abortion IS the establishment, that's why I don't think you see that on shirts.
---davad

But I DO see that on shirts. I mean, I'm not making this up out of think air. I saw a girl with one not too long ago at Wal-Mart, in fact.

I was talking about pro-choice shirts, not pro-life ones. You don't see choice ones because it's the standard...the established law.

If you did throw in some anti-abortion t's, just for kicks and giggles, I think they might sell better than you'd think they would. But then, maybe the people you sell to aren't that big on the morality and values thing.

I don't know if they're into the morality and values thing or not, they're customers. I'm not there to monitor morality, I'm there to help them, give them a few laughs, and provide them items that make life fun. Whether they they use those things in a moral way is not my concern. Our company's mission statment is "Life's a Party, We're Makin It Fun".

voodoostation

on Feb 01, 2006

I'm pro abortion, but only for the people who are pro abortion. If they want to be pro choice or pro abortion, then I hope they go through with it. The last thing we need is more people like them. Yeah, that's the ticket.

stevendedalus

on Feb 02, 2006

But think about this. What if Roe V Wade was over turned. Abortion would not be illegal except in 15 states. But what would the arguement then turn to? What would the left's position be, versus the anti-abortion right?

Move to the blue states. Or stay in the red and fight like hell to overturn their law to deny the oersonal property of a woman's body.

stevendedalus

on Feb 02, 2006

How is it one has the inviolate right to bear arms is somehow translated to a woman must bear children?

bakerstreet

on Feb 02, 2006

How is it that you think pregnancy is somehow mandatory? Are you really espousing abortion as work-a-day birth control?

You keep referring to this as an issue of women being some sort of baby machine. So far, after 13 years of fairly regular sex, my wife and I have only one child and so far we are abortion free. According to you, without constant trips to the obgyn for a scrubbing out of fetal tissue, we'd be up to our arse in kids.

How is it that you are translating the right to abortion as the right to not bear children? I know at least two couples that are have been married a lot longer than I and who have no kids at all. Do they have weekly abortions, or is there some other method of birth control?

Rightwinger

on Feb 02, 2006

If there were no options for preventing conception, I might be more of a mind to accept abortion. That is not the case obviously.

One way of preventing conception, and thereby abortion, is to stop and think with your brain before you let hormones take over and do your thinking for you.
Use a condom or IUD; take the pill. Both. Whatever. If you don't....THAT's your "choice".

Just don't take your moment of wild, lust-filled irresponsibility out on an innocent life because it's existence is somehow inconvenient and troublesome, and call it "choice".
What it's really called is "injustice", which is something the Left has spent deacdes railing against. Or, at least, giving lip service to railing against.

Dr Guy

on Feb 02, 2006

You're a little late to the party doc....the post I was referring to was the one about alito. I was addressing bakerstreet anyways, he hardly needs cheerleaders.

So if one is late, they cannot speak the truth? Interesting. Glad I am not a democrat.

Dr Guy

on Feb 02, 2006

Move to the blue states. Or stay in the red and fight like hell to overturn their law to deny the oersonal property of a woman's body.

Wrong! Then the arguement would be for true choice, not only one choice (abortion)! The democrats are arguing the wrong issue, and the reason they are is because Roe V Wade is not about legalizing it. It is about self determination.

It was not illegal before, it will not be illegal afterwards. But it will truly be a choice.

davad70

on Feb 02, 2006

So if one is late, they cannot speak the truth? Interesting. Glad I am not a democrat.

Your definition of truth based on your past actions is suspect, but even so...that's not the post I was referring to. Why are you glad you're not a democrat? Oh, I know...it's so that you can support the republicans/conservatives when it's convenient for you, but then pretend like you're an impartial independant when that's convenient for you.

stevendedalus

on Feb 19, 2006

Do they have weekly abortions, or is there some other method of birth control?

You should know there are other methods that you doubtless resort to.

But it will truly be a choice.

Agreed.

bakerstreet

on Feb 19, 2006

" You should know there are other methods that you doubtless resort to."

Of course I know. You are the one posing this that either women are allowed to have abortions, or they are enslaved baby machines. You said it yourself, in black and white, in the comment that I was responding to:

" How is it one has the inviolate right to bear arms is somehow translated to a woman must bear children?"

That's disingenuous and you know it. It implies that women that don't have abortions "must bear children." Your argument isn't served by fallacy. Beyond that, you imply in other posts that once they bear children, the women are forced to raise them when they aren't able. That, too, is a fallacy.

So, at this point, your whole argument is a fallacy. You are simply relying on a made-up right, and then trying to prop it up with points that aren't valid.

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