Constructive gadfly
Published on November 7, 2005 By stevendedalus In Politics
 If we “unilaterally” invaded a country, why can we not unilaterally cut and run? Why does even, Dean say that we cannot do the latter? — and by so doing joins the ilk of liberal hawks, such as Hillary and Kerry? Is it inspired begrudgingly by the adage that “you made your bed...”? But do we have to sleep in it other sleepless nights as well?

For one thing, “unilateral” was in the decision; the execution was not, for Bush was smart enough to drag along a “coalition”; despite its being window dressing. Nevertheless, some members of this coalition have in fact unilaterally cut and run — apparently without repercussions other than from critics in this country. There are even critics who object to a timetable of attrition for fear the insurgents will simply exploit it to their advantage.

To what end, then, did Bush commit the nation? Was it to insure that there be unconditional democracy, though already this has been compromised? And if we wait until Iraqi forces are up to par, what guarantee is there that they will indeed put down the insurgency once and for all in face of our own forces unable to do so? If indeed there be a true Bush commitment to this war, should he not send in another 100,000 coalition troops to wipe out resistance? Echoes of Vietnam notwithstanding, what has he got to lose as a lame duck president but the soul of his party?

The alternative, it would appear, is for Bush just as boldly unilaterally submit to a timetable come hell or high water, with or without UN blessings, and put an end to this debacle.

      

Copyright © 2005 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: November 7, 2005.

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on Nov 07, 2005
Well, it seems you have at least picked up on a new idea.  That the decision was unilateral, not the actual invasion.  But I will disagree there as well, as I dont think we were leading Blair around by the nose.  Although some may argue that as you did.
on Nov 07, 2005
Since Blair also had a "thing" with Clinton, why not Bush?
on Nov 07, 2005
Echoes of Vietnam notwithstanding, what has he got to lose as a lame duck president but the soul of his party?


The only "echoes" are coming from democrats and their media friends.
on Nov 07, 2005
Pouring into Iraq more troops would conjure the echoes. I was not referring to the present condition.
on Nov 07, 2005

To what end, then, did Bush commit the nation?

This is good enough for me. There is a middle ground here you know... it is not just leave or put in more troops. How about staying for the long haul? How about standing up for the things we pay lip service to like ensuring freedom for the Iraqis?

The 2000 soldiers who have died in Iraq gave their lives in service of the freedom. The answer is not more troops or unilateral withdrawal but rather the realization that reforming an entire nation won't be completed in a year or a decade but rather decades after decades until it is finished.

on Nov 07, 2005
"as I dont think we were leading Blair around by the nose. "

Blair led himself, and exposed his belly to Bush.

www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-13459528,00.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=367829&in_page_id=1770&in_a_source=&ct=5

" Since Blair also had a "thing" with Clinton, why not Bush?"

Clinton's advice to Blair regarding the Bush White House was to "hug them close". History tells us he did just that.
on Nov 07, 2005

Since Blair also had a "thing" with Clinton, why not Bush?

Ever seen the movie Love Actually?  I think it was less of a 'thing' and more of a way to keep his eye on Clinton!

on Nov 07, 2005
How about staying for the long haul?
...And add to the casualty list and further deplete our own defense at home.
on Nov 07, 2005
The time for more troops was at the outset of this war not today. We need to set a date to end our committment and if the Iraqi people do not step up and defend their new government so be it. The time is soon comming to end this war for our troops.
on Nov 08, 2005
if there was someone in charge--either in the field or the dod--who could be counted on to provide an accurate, non-politicized assessment AND it concluded a viable stable state could come together in the absence of constant attacks, i'd have no problem putting in however many troops were required.

i'm not sure such a person can be found or, if found, it's not already too late for the viable stable state.
on Nov 08, 2005
1: Prs. Bush has stated ad nauseum what needs to happen before we will pull all troops out of Iraq. Just because his detractors don't care to open their ears, doesn't change that fact.

2: There is another word for "unilateral withdrawal", it is called "surrender" and would do nothing more than turn Iraq over to the bacteria to run rough shod over the people.

Only losers quit just because things aren't going absolutely perfectly. If the Founding Fathers listened to the naysayers, there would never have been an American Revolution.
on Nov 08, 2005
The problem is there is NO indication the what Bush says must happen to pull our troops out of Iraq will EVER happen. The factions within Iraq do not want to work togeher and countries like Iran and Seria fuel the discord by supplying weapons to the factions that are creating the insecurity. Stability in Iraq is not a reality with our troops in that country and I do not believe there is any real chance of establishing stability when we finally leave that country. When we did not stop the insergents at the outset of Saddam falling from power, we lost the fight. The reason we were unable to establish and maintain stability was because we did not have anything close to the force levels required. Bush violated the most basic military principal of warefare - overwhelming force. His generals told him what was required and Bush sent about 1/3 the force levels needed.
on Nov 08, 2005
The problem is there is NO indication the what Bush says must happen to pull our troops out of Iraq will EVER happen.


Just because the President doesn't announce it in the MSM and send you a personal letter doesn't matter. You still don't understand that the President is not going to annouce to the public any timetable for a withdrawel.

You have the military knowledge of a first grader.
on Nov 08, 2005
We have a few neighborhoods riddled with crime in my city. Perhaps they should saturate the area with police and kick down every other door, or just withdraw entirely...

IMHO, you're smarter than this steve. If we had a million troops in Iraq these attacks would still occur, and until the Iraqi people ask us to leave, we'd be abandoning them. I think the expectation Bush-haters have are unreasonable.

This isn't Vietnam, there is no North Vietnamese army bearing down on the poor Iraqis. There are just insurgents, attacking sporatically in hopes people like steve will see it and write catch-22 articles like this.
on Nov 08, 2005
Island Dog

It is Bush that has the military knowledge of a first grader. What I said is that the conditions that Bush has made for our pullout ( not the time) was when the Iraqi Army and police can secure the country. What I said is that is not likely to EVER happen!

BakerStreet

If at the outset we had eliminated the groups that have grown into the terrorists of today and secured the borders and the Amo Dumps, the current security problems would be in a few isolated situations. We did not do that because we did not have the force levels needed. We had almost 500,000 troops in the first Gulf war and we were not attempting to occupy a unfriendly country. Gen Franks and the Army CoS told Bush it would take about three times the troop levels Bush agreed to send. The Op Plan completed by Gen Franks called for not less then 300,000 in Iraq when Saddam fell.
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