Constructive gadfly
Published on January 28, 2004 By stevendedalus In Blogging

Wardell at one time believed that the internet was the alternative toward mainstream commentators and columnists who were not satisfactory to his way of thinking. Now he claims it is “destroying the civility of political discourse.” Only he and his small circle of friends have “ views based on a set of honest, well thought-out principles.” I wonder if his mention of internet includes JoeUser bloggers that are not suitable to his high criteria for civility and debates, which he has relegated to the Dean Scream. Notwithstanding his admission that the damage stems from both Right and Left, he proceeds to dismiss the Right as simply “kooks” but harmless, whereas the “kooks” on the Left are tend to join the ranks of “mainstream Democrats.”


He reasons that most people are not partisan and are rational assessors open to both views, nonetheless, finds the Left views “unreasonable” and therefore the “non-partisan” agrees with the Right as a “more valid point of view.” This is known as the O’Reilly approach: fill them with kindness, then destroy them. By referring to strawman Al Franken, who is, after all, a comedian primarily, Wardell highlights his attack with “Bush Lied,” and defends the president for being honestly misled by Intelligence as indeed were Democrats, French and Germans and then proceeds to accuse the Democrats via Franken of calling an honest mistake a lie. None of the candidates have accused the president of lying but rather of deception and a program of disinformation on WMD and al Qaeda linkage to move the nation toward war, which, if I may be so bold, seems to be an intellectually honest appraisal.


In spite of is, being is, Wardell fudges the facts by stating that the soul of America — “joe-six-packs” — is indifferent to the professed reason for going to war; since 9/11 these average folks, too, predicated their animal instincts, not unlike Cheney and Rumsfeld, that Saddam had to go! Oh, really? I’m sure the GI’s over there would disagree. He infers that “the average American doesn’t really care very much whether WMD are even found.” Suddenly his chop-logic infers that the Americans will figure out the intellectual dishonesty from the Left who have contempt — “subconscious” or otherwise — for the average person, implying evidently that the Left consists only of priggish elites, who ignore that Clinton was in all intents and purposes a worse war-monger by being all over the lot in his military ventures.


What is worse, Wardell continues his assault on sanity by blowing off the intent of the Kosovo war on genocide as small potatoes compared to Saddam’s. His screaming logic prohibits him from perceiving the real intent of Kosovo intervention which was to stop the mass expulsion of Kosovars from their homeland. The mass graves were secondary and in no way did the media over expose the genocide — though immediate and recent — as much as they covered the genocide in Iraq, which admittedly was far worse, yet not as dramatic since these graves were over a period of thirty years of terror, which the world already knew about, including the United States.


Granted regime change in Iraq had been the policy of the US during Clinton’s term, but escalating in terms of boots on the ground did not equate with the war already in progress by containment — sanctions and no-fly zones. It was a well-known fact that over 90% of WMD had been destroyed by the inspection teams, but no one wanted to hear that, especially the current administration and even Clinton himself feared a weapons build up because he wrongly let Hussein throw out the inspectors after an intensive bomb attack.


I give enormous credit to Bush for lighting a fire under the UN to reinstate the inspection team, but am confounded by his impetuous action to ignore the findings of the inspection in progress, and his manipulation of the public by capitalizing on its 9/11 fears, without which he never would have invaded. Bush deliberately turned those fears and the flag-waving into jingoism to suit the original intent of his cabinet to get rid of Saddam at any cost.


As for Wardell’s argument concerning the lengthy Hague trial of Milosevic in contrast to Saddam’s encroaching trial, he tries to equate the two. Nothing could be further from the truth. Milosevic was tossed out on his ear by his own people as a war criminal in many provinces, not just their homeland. Saddam is a prisoner of war and, as in Nuernberg, sentenced by us, or turned over to the Iraqis for trial and obviously resulting in the death penalty called for by the Shi`a. Moreover, Wardell’s untiring comparison of Milosevic and Saddam is like comparing Stalin and Hitler as to who killed more innocents. The fact is, both were devastating terrorists and nitpicking does not serve the argument. Moreover, Wardell fails to mention the maniacal — and still at large — Radovan Karadzic, the Bosnian Serb leader, who allegedly killed 200,000, mostly Muslims, for which I hold NATO, Clark and Clinton responsible for failing to hunt him down. It is Karadzic, not Milosevic of Serbia who is still held in high regard by the Serbs in Bosnia.


In addition Wardell’s diatribe on the Clinton “lies” concerning Kosovo was not criticized from the Right or the Left. I seem to recall the criticism from the Right was that Clinton engaged in this to distract the nation from the impeachment. Furthermore, there were critics from both sides of the aisle, including Gen. Clark, that wanted troops on the ground. As for its not being backed by the UN, the NATO backing surely gave the war on Kosovo legitimacy. Currently there are no cries about bringing the troops home from Bosnia and Kosovo: the skeletal US input to SFOR’s peace-keeping can hardly be compared to 130,000 troops in Iraq.


Yet what’s done is done. The Iraqi war whether popular or not is a fact, and the emphasis must be on ending it either through UN and NATO participation or early elections. The final outcome will be left to the Iraqis and unfortunately complete Shiite rule — quasi-democratization, notwithstanding.


Wardell cools down in his conclusion by granting the “left has a lot of very principled positions” that are ignored by on-line arguments from leftists — and I trust by rightists.


         
Copyright © 2004 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: January 28, 2004.

Comments
on Jan 28, 2004
I think the title, “Wardell protests too much” was actually a metaphor of a line from the play Hamlet, by William Shakespeare, “the lady doth protesteth too much” therefore I pointed the article as insightful.
on Jan 28, 2004
Is Al Franken on the left, or do they see him as a fool that ruins their name? Also, isn't accusing somebody of deliberately spreading disinformation and deception the same thing as calling them a liar, or are liberals following Clinton's trend when he asked what the definition of "is" was.
Also, one should remember that ninety percent is not one hundred percent.
By the way, if the left acknowledges that Saddam Hussein was a devastating terrorist, then why are they so outraged that we ousted him? Do they really want a man like that to remain in power?
What I also find funny is how quickly liberals are demanding that U.S. turn full power over to the Iraqi people. Despite a history that shows that democracies hastily created don't end up well, they still insist that U.S. hastily turn Iraq into a democracy, and if they did, I'm sure the left would blame the right for not placing enough care into ensuring stability.
Why is it that the left cries "Bloody Murder!" when an evil dictator is ousted, and then wants the government to be unstable enough for another psychopath to rise to power? I don't want to accuse the left of being evil, but the way they want to preserve treachury and chaos is suspicious, to say the least.
on Jan 28, 2004
I think that this discussion is so ironic. It usually is the Republicans who prop up dictators and the Democrats who topple them. I think in the case of Saddam that Bush wanted him out because he wanted to finish what his father started but didn't finish. Although quick elections may not insure a lasting democracy, I doubt if a long occupation by the United States and Britain will be any more effective. Occupations rarely work, with the exception of Japan and Germany.
on Jan 28, 2004
Thank you AR-15. Messy, thanks to Sherye I have little response--she said it all. However, deliberate disinformation is the definition of some politics and also of the media because they know "Joe-sixpack" is gullible and easily led astray. Deception is a human trait that hides behind reality--as did Clinton and Bush.
on Jan 28, 2004
I still don't see how saying somebody deliberately spread disinformation and deception is better than saying somebody lied. I think the average person would see those two things as being exactly the same.

However, deliberate disinformation is the definition of some politics and also of the media because they know "Joe-sixpack" is gullible and easily led astray.


I think it's comments such as these that add validity to the idea that the left consists of priggish elitists who have contempt for the average person. What's funny is that if "Joe-sixpack" is as gullible as the left would have one believe, then shouldn't the left be in power, since the media is itself quite liberal? I guess it's better to believe opponents are gullible rather than believe one's ways might need some tweaking.

Although quick elections may not insure a lasting democracy, I doubt if a long occupation by the United States and Britain will be any more effective. Occupations rarely work, with the exception of Japan and Germany.


The way I see it, there's more of a chance of establishing a lasting democracy in Iraq if we remain occupied than if we give up and pull out immediately. I don't see how the left can honestly believe that pulling out would help the Iraqi people toward a stable democracy. Also, unless I'm mistaken, other states that the U.S. has occupied haven't turned out too badly. I can't think of one that has, but my history is lacking.
on Jan 29, 2004
System of a Down- "Stupid people do stupid things, smart people outsmart each other..then themselves."
Need I say more?
on Jan 29, 2004
Where's Brad's rebuttal? I find his silence puzzling. Usually, he's very quick to counter-attack.
on Jan 29, 2004
Lunaticus Minimus has a very good point. Serj Tankian is very insightful.

I also agree with Vic, doesn't Wardell live in the Joeuser universe? He seems to be the omnipotent reviewer and contributor. I am also surprised he hasn't spoken about this.
on Jan 29, 2004
Just hang on y'all. Brad is going to answer in due time, and you can take that to the bank. I give you credit 'stevendedalus' for taking on a monster of a blogger, in an intelligent, thoughtful and rational manner. I'm sure Brad will respond in a similar manner, and this will be one for the books. Brad just put up a point system blog, and I'm sure he's working on page 4 or 5 of his reply as I type this. This will be good.
on Jan 30, 2004
Anathema, odd you should mention the point system because mysteriously I lost over 100 points overnight!
Messy, you need a lesson in logic. I do mot accept Brad's premise that Joe-sixpack is the average American; nor do I accept your premise that the media are liberal; they are corporately controlled by moguls and advertisers. When I was a young, average guy in New York, the Times was conservative[in those days it meant Rockefeller Republican] and still is, so I read the New York Post when it was truly liberal--before Murdock turned it into a rag.
on Feb 02, 2004
Perhaps Brad's lack of a reply IS his reply. Sometimes silence can be a powerful thing..(not that I'd know or anything)
on Feb 02, 2004
I think people like Wardell are absolute Gold... he is one smart individual, but his only failing is a rather large one - he can't see past political leanings... no matter what the discussion is.

To get a rational reply on an argument or a comment from him, it needs to have no ability to be referenced to politics or socioligy at all.. i.e. picking up chicks.

on Feb 06, 2004
But according to one of his blogs on "his perfect marriage", I doubt that he would be interested in picking up chicks or writing about. He does draw maps well--his latest contribution.
on Feb 06, 2004
"if the left acknowledges that Saddam Hussein was a devastating terrorist, then why are they so outraged that we ousted him?"

because it's not really about Saddam, it's about Bush and the PNAC. The stated reason to got o war was WMD, then it was Saddam is a bad guy, then it was liberation. all deception (aka lies). The reason we went into Iraq was because he had us by the balls for all the supoprt we game him over the past three decades in weapons. He was basically giving us the big finger because he could. In 2000, he changes all his oil sales from dollars to euros with potentially great impact to the vaue of the dollar and the ability for OPEC to regulate oil prices. This war was not about WMD or any other said excuses, it was about revenge and controlling the price of oil and the value of the dollar in the global econopmic market. folks on the left arer outraged not by Saddam, but by the outright lies about ahy we went in, it's really that simple.
on Feb 06, 2004
and as for Wardell, I think he speaks for himslef best:

" I don't pretend to care about fairness in results. . . I don't care."