My Quotes: Election Aftermath

Published on November 7, 2004 By stevendedalus In Politics

The vanity of war takes precedence over the drudge of diplomacy.

Is it possible for 58 million people to be wrong?

It’s hard for the majority to be magnanimous since it’s so easy to be vindictive.

Red states love to wave the stars and stripes in the public square; at home they salute the confederate flag.

Kerry is inviting the Massachusetts Supreme Court on a hunting trip; it is expected he will have difficulty explaining a hunting accident that took the lives of all of them.

“Two Americas” means those who think and those who believe.

Puerto Ricans in middle Florida were told to vote like Miami’s Cuban Americans.

Ohio should be two states: northern blue and southern red.

Democrats should not be taken in by Iowa’s hospitality and charm ever again and ignore its primaries, lest they again be smothered with pies in their faces.

Thanks to the religious pitch of the nation, Democrats can no longer take the black vote for granted — too many are southern Baptists.

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drmiler

on Nov 07, 2004

My Quotes: Election Aftermath

By: stevendedalus
Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2004 on Jim's Joint
Message Board: Politics
The vanity of war takes precedence over the drudge of diplomacy.
Is it possible for 58 million people to be wrong?
It’s hard for the majority to be magnanimous since it’s so easy to be vindictive.
Red states love to wave the stars and stripes in the public square; at home they salute the confederate flag.

Tell that to the people in Idaho and Montana. And here's a good one. What is wrong with the confederate flag? And don't give me that sh*t that it represents slavery cause that's BS.

CrispE

on Nov 07, 2004

Steven:

Not sure about the last quote. It was pretty well established that blacks voted overwhelmingly for Kerry. I don't think anyone was taken for granted in this election, Kerry never had a chance anyway (as Al Hunt said last night on Capital Gang on CNN). However, the issue now is the future and we should be realistic that the Democrats loss should help us build a better base in the future.

Texas Wahine

on Nov 07, 2004

The vanity of war takes precedence over the drudge of diplomacy.

That makes me very, very sad.

Chemicalkinetics

on Nov 07, 2004

The vanity of war takes precedence over the drudge of diplomacy.

Diplomacy for 12 years?

stevendedalus

on Nov 08, 2004

And don't give me that sh*t that it represents slavery cause that's BS.

I'm not giving you that shit; they honor the flag because they believed in the cause of secession and the continuance of slavery.

That makes me very, very sad.

Me too.

Diplomacy for 12 years?

There was a good deal of under Clinton--surely not perfect. Admittedly the UN let it slip away with respect to Saddam, but, to Bush's credit, it resumed inspections and could have avoided the war.

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 08, 2004

And don't give me that sh*t that it represents slavery cause that's BS.
I'm not giving you that shit; they honor the flag because they believed in the cause of secession and the continuance of slavery.

Actually if you want to pour through volumes of Civil War history, you would find out it had a lot to do with State's rights and little to do with Slavery. Slavery was just ice on the proverbial cake but the entire cake was about Federal and State Governments and who should have more control over the State's laws. Than you also had the fact that just like today you have States that want gay marriage and states that don't, should the government get involved with that situation or should the states be left to make up their own decisions?

A lot more than just Slavery and Secession, the secession part did not come in until there was a total breakdown in relations between the two sides in Congress, in fact that WAS the time Democrats went to war because a Republican got elected, funny is it not? Then you have Democrats today who want to secede and wage civil war because a Republican president got re-elected. Ah well, time for bed.

Melancholy Plinko!!

Muggaz

on Nov 08, 2004

they honor the flag because they believed in the cause of secession and the continuance of slavery.

You don't rate the dukes of Hazard mate?

bakerstreet

on Nov 08, 2004

You can do so much better than this. Empty-headed drek suited to DU trolls, not you.

Apparently this election isn't going to teach people like steve anything, it is just gonna give them a messiah complex... no, wait, messiahs generally rely on OTHERS to proclaim their moral superiority...

"“Two Americas” means those who think and those who believe."

That should read "“Two Americas” means those who think and those who believe they are omniscient and really just believe like everyone else..."

Everyone believes, steve, you know that. They just believe in something NOT existing, which isn't any more valid. YOu just seem to be on a trite binge...

Madine

on Nov 08, 2004

at home they salute the confederate flag

Yeah, I'm sure all Southern Republicans salue the confederate flag, which they hang up next to their picture of Abe Lincoln...

You can split Ohio if we can split California.

drmiler

on Nov 08, 2004

Reply #5 By: stevendedalus - 11/8/2004 1:14:00 AM
And don't give me that sh*t that it represents slavery cause that's BS.
I'm not giving you that shit; they honor the flag because they believed in the cause of secession and the continuance of slavery.

That only goes to show what you don't know! Ask ANY true southerner the same question and he/she will tell you the same thing! It was NEVER about slavery!

Americans For Truth

on Nov 08, 2004

The South has romaticized the Civil War, seeing it as some great lost crusade. The Confederate flag stands for that twisted idea. Personally, I suspect a lot of Southerners don't like the modern United States. So they're trying to turn back the clock.

Bungy32

on Nov 08, 2004

That only goes to show what you don't know! Ask ANY true southerner the same question and he/she will tell you the same thing! It was NEVER about slavery!

Ah, drmiler, this is the kind of sweeping generalization that gets you in trouble, y'know? I am a true southerner (raised in North Carolina by Georgia parents) and I have to tell you that I KNOW the Civil War was, in large part, about slavery. It was mostly about preserving the rights of the individual states from the "oppressive" influence of the federal gov't. It was mostly about preserving a way of life in the South as distinct from the Northern (Yankee) states. But that way of life most definitely included slavery. The Lincoln/Douglas debates that lost Lincoln his Senate bid but propelled him to enough prominence to take the Presidency was specifically about abolition and the question of slavery. It is probably wrong to say the Civil War was just about slavery, but slavery figured prominently in the motivations for that war.

As a true Southerner, the Confederate Flag makes me a bit uncomfortable. On the one hand, I embrace that the South is probably the most identity-defined region of the country (people from the South identify as "true Southerners" more than folks identify themselves as Northerners or Midwesterners; for example, subgenres of "Southern Fiction" or "Southern Cooking" are more prolific than similar genres associated with other regions of the country). In as much as the flag signifies that regional identification, I can embrace it. But it also represents a time when part of the country tried to leave and go out on their own, largely (but not only) over this important question of slavery. The flag represents a moment in history when a new country violently failed to be. The Confederate Flag, it seems to me, has come to stand less for a regional identification and more for reverting to values that literally and figuratively reduce the world to issues of black and white (well, and celebrating rebellion for its own sake).

Southerners have plenty to be proud of. But the Confederate flag as a the icon for Southern identity, white working class ideals, or simply rebellion is not really something I can rally behind. I suppose you will tell me that I am not a "true Southerner" for holding such an opinion -- and thereby reveal the arbitrary and rhetorical nature of that designation. But that only proves my point: The meanings of the Confederate Flag today are very different from what they meant in the 1860s. The flag appeals to more regions than just the South, and there are plenty of Southerners who do not embrace it as their symbol nor choose to rally around it.

stevendedalus

on Nov 09, 2004

Personally, I suspect a lot of Southerners don't like the modern United States. So they're trying to turn back the clock.

In some respects it's true; in fact, they have indeed now won the Civil War.

was NEVER about slavery!

No, they didn't perceive it as slavery; they were just protecting property rights.

stevendedalus

on Nov 09, 2004

You can do so much better than this. Empty-headed drek suited to DU trolls, not you.

Thanks for the backdoor compliment.

Then you have Democrats today who want to secede and wage civil war because a Republican president got re-elected

Your opinion, not mine. To be blase about slavery is depressing when you know full well that was the unmentioned catalyst behind the entire scenario.

Thanks, Bungy, I gave you and insightful; it was a pleasure to read.

Grim Xiozan

on Nov 09, 2004

Your opinion, not mine. To be blase about slavery is depressing when you know full well that was the unmentioned catalyst behind the entire scenario.

Granted it is MY opinion but it is backed up from what I have SEEN from the 'so-called' patriotic American supporters of Kerry who now want to try anything and everything to overturn an election or move to another country, I know you are not one of them and so are many others, so granted it may be MY opinion but it is grounded in the reality of everyday life.

Plinko for the pain!!

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