Constructive gadfly
Published on November 6, 2008 By stevendedalus In Politics

Is Wall Street's post election down trend really attributed to more bad news on unemployment or are they venting a vicious caveat to Obama?


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on Nov 06, 2008

No vindictiveness here.  First, the market was up on the day of the election, massively up.  Obama's win was widely anticipated-- look at the predictor markets.  Also, according to an article on Fox Business, of all places: 

"Analysts said the losses were less of a reaction to the expected outcome of Barack Obama's election, rather an indictment of the economic situation that will greet him when he takes office in January."

http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/cisco-toyota-weigh-futures/

on Nov 06, 2008

The markets don't know the meaning of being vindicative - if you want to be vindictive, it will cost money, since you will be trying to artificially lower the markets price to achieve some other goal (e.g. negative coverage). However investors etc. exist to make money, not throw it away (at least they do in theory ), hence it wouldn't work - the market will only fall if it is expected to perform worse than expected.

on Nov 06, 2008

However investors etc. exist to make money, not throw it away
Another school of thought is to work toward the bottom in order to buy low.

on Nov 06, 2008

but then again, just because you're paranoid that doesn't mean they aren't out to get ya, lol.
Thanks for yielding that much. Speaking of paranoia, there is no other institution that epitomizes this syndrome than wall street.

on Nov 06, 2008

Other than that, I'd just as soon spend a day at the racetrack. At least the experience is enjoyable, even if you lose your money.
Yeah, that and lotteries; and wouldn't it be nice to afford to lose your money in style with a trip to neon-town Las Vegas?LOL

on Nov 06, 2008

Much to the chagrin of many, Wall Street is not going to cut off its nose to spite its face.  I have no doubt that there is a lot of selling going on because investors want to take their money and get out before Obama slams them with higher taxes.  But they are not doing it to spite him.  They just feel that paying 28% tax is better than paying 50%.

So do I.  But alas mine is all in retirement so I have to start looking for another way to retire after mine is taxed into nothing.

It is a consequence of the fear (or trepidation if you will) of taxes going up.  Only fools (and that does not include hypocritical democrats) cheer tax increases so they can make less money on their returns.

on Nov 06, 2008

My husband (CPA) said it's because businesses are not happy with Obama.  Look, the two days he's been in, it's been sliding downward.  Businesses are scared right now.  They've had a glimpse of his new economic tax plan and it's not in their favor. 

 

on Nov 06, 2008

They've had a glimpse of his new economic tax plan and it's not in their favor.

A glimpse?  Bush is still president, although it's unlikely he'll do much notable until Obama comes to power.

on Nov 07, 2008

They just feel that paying 28% tax is better than paying 50%.
Strange, in the old days I thought I was getting a hell of a deal with 40% tax on capital gains. You kids have been spoiled.   

on Nov 07, 2008

My husband (CPA) said it's because businesses are not happy with Obama. Look, the two days he's been in, it's been sliding downward. Businesses are scared right now. They've had a glimpse of his new economic tax plan and it's not in their favor.
Biden must be whining that there are no patriots anymore!

on Nov 07, 2008

the two days he's been in, it's been sliding downward.  Businesses are scared right now.  They've had a glimpse of his new economic tax plan and it's not in their favor

Since Obama had published many of his plans in advance, and it was almost a given that he would beat McCain, such movements should have already occured to a large extent. Furthermore the end of uncertainty (albiet only slight) about the next president would have had a positive effect on the market, since it would allow companies to then plan for the future better. On top of that the market was sliding well before Obama got in, and has been highly volatile anyway, so it's dangerous to attribute falls of only a few days after he's gotten in simply to Obama.

on Nov 07, 2008

A glimpse? Bush is still president, although it's unlikely he'll do much notable until Obama comes to power.

So was Bush I before Clinton made his tax increase retroactive.  If some clown tells you he is going to raise your taxes - are you going to call him a liar and not take actions?

If so, that is probably why you will never be rich.

Strange, in the old days I thought I was getting a hell of a deal with 40% tax on capital gains. You kids have been spoiled.

IN the old days, I did not have any money to invest.  Glad you could save some.