Draft Inevitable — “no Brainer”

Published on October 7, 2004 By stevendedalus In Politics

“The draft — which will include both boys and girls this time around — a no-brainer in ‘05 and ‘06.” — David Hackworth; www.hackworth.com

Hackworth’s position is that the war on terror, excluding Iraq, will require more boots on the ground and that no amount of sophisticated blockbuster weapons can effectively hunt down terrorists. The “Stop Loss” program of the Pentagon extending enlistments beyond contractual agreements in effect has transformed the volunteers as “backdoor draftees” who are determined to take a powder if the chance arises. This will inevitably lead to a draft in order to increase the number of grunts needed for a global rifleman’s war.

For those who espouse an all volunteer service, thanks to Rumsfeld’s shameless comment: that Vietnam draftees added “no value, no advantage, really, to the United States armed services…it took an enormous amount of effort in terms of training, and then they were gone.”

The fact is the “no value” draftees in the last century fought two world wars and two major conflicts with honor. Also training time is no different for draftee or regular, and the length of service is determined by the duration of conflicts — unfortunately in this case unending.

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Comments (Page 1)

Myrrander

on Oct 07, 2004

Well done, steven, I think a draft is pretty likely no matter who wins the election.

drmiler

on Oct 07, 2004

Reply #1 By: Myrrander - 10/7/2004 3:17:58 PM
Well done, steven, I think a draft is pretty likely no matter who wins the election

To both posters. I seriously doubt that the draft will happen. You fail to take into account one thing......the American people. Do you honestly think that they'll stand by and let this happen? I don't think so.

Grim Xiozan

on Oct 07, 2004

Hell they hated it the last time there was one, come this time around there will be even more venom and hatred at it, not to mention that even the Military will be completely against it this time.

- GX

sandy2

on Oct 07, 2004

Well, its not really up to the american people, and besides that point iraq is becoming more of a mistake every day. We may need to just pick up and leave if it comes down to going to war with Iran for REAL reasons (ie refusal to stop producing wmd's which they have ADMITED to. And in that case it would be with UN apporval. If their is adraft, it will be highly unsuccesfull because I know I would do everything in my power to prevent them from taking my family or my friends and their families.

Texas Wahine

on Oct 07, 2004

You fail to take into account one thing......the American people. Do you honestly think that they'll stand by and let this happen?

It won't matter what people think if we are unable to meet our committments with the neccessary manpower. When (or if) that point comes, a draft will be inevitable, whether the American people like it or not.

Bungy32

on Oct 07, 2004

When (or if) that point comes, a draft will be inevitable, whether the American people like it or not.

A cold chill just ran down my spine. Is there a draft in here?

(And that, folks, is called gallow's humor.

)

TasT

on Oct 07, 2004

To avoid a Draft;

Educate the young about the advantages of serving your country. I served for 6 years in the US Navy got to visit many foreign and domestic ports that I would have never went to otherwise, learned how to take care of myself and best of all the Goverment is now paying me back by footing the bill for the rest of my college education.

Get the kids to sign up now and a draft won't happen and they will get the benifits, wait for a draft and get subpar training and be forced to play army instead of Navy Airforce, Marines or Coast Gaurd.

Get drafted and be a target or enlist and become a valuable, trained military professional.

stevendedalus

on Oct 07, 2004

When it comes to a ligitimate crisis, the people have NO voice.

stevendedalus

on Oct 07, 2004

Get the kids to sign up now and a draft won't happen and they will get the benifits, wait for a draft and get subpar training and be forced to play army instead of Navy Airforce, Marines or Coast Gaurd.

An enterprising man--enlist and become an entrepreneur.

Ciperl

on Oct 07, 2004

People who think the draft will happen forget that it is only through the Congress a draft can be instituted, (not through the executive branch). And over the past two years, three draft legislations were brought up, (two by democratic congressmen and one by a republican congressman). All three times they were handidly defeated. Plus, even if a draft bill would start to gain steam, then it would be killed by the filibuster rule. Because there is no way that in todays day and age, that senetors would 2/3 vote to overrun and stop a filibuster which would definately be started if a draft legislation even got close to coming to a vote.

Grim Xiozan

on Oct 07, 2004

Tis a dead issue you say, tis is a dead bill always.

- Grim Xiozan

drmiler

on Oct 07, 2004

Reply #7 By: TasT - 10/7/2004 3:49:26 PM
To avoid a Draft;

Educate the young about the advantages of serving your country. I served for 6 years in the US Navy got to visit many foreign and domestic ports that I would have never went to otherwise, learned how to take care of myself and best of all the Goverment is now paying me back by footing the bill for the rest of my college education.

Get the kids to sign up now and a draft won't happen and they will get the benifits, wait for a draft and get subpar training and be forced to play army instead of Navy Airforce, Marines or Coast Gaurd.

Would be nice. But I will say this. Both of my sons would benefit from being in the military but neither will EVER enlist. Neither ONE can take orders. I'm afraid that both would end up in the stockade. If there *is* a draft and either one runs from it then that one will *cease* being *my* son! And they both know it.

bakerstreet

on Oct 07, 2004

JUst voted one down in the last couple of days. Dems keep trying to make this point, and all the little Dem kids keep wetting their dorm beds over it.

It is just a scare tactic. They scare people, keep calling for a draft, and somehow people keep saying "Bush is gonna call for a draft". One of the lowest tacticts I have seen so far from rabid Bush-haters. Vote Republican, they don't want a draft...

mindlar

on Oct 07, 2004

Just to reiterate what BakerStreet said, this came up for a vote in the House of Representatives yesterday or the day before. It was backed by 2 democratic representatives and failed 405 to 2.

Only 1 of the co-authors was willing to vote for this legislation. With numbers like that, it is unlikely that the draft is going to come back within the next couple years.

bakerstreet

on Oct 07, 2004

And the key to the situation is that DEMOCRATS are propelling the draft discussion because they believe that fear of such makes people vote for Kerry. It doesn't matter that Dems are the ones pushing, people think Kerry will magically put an end to all war, and Bush will draft them. One of the worst excesses of the election, imho, right up there with SBVrT...

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