Constructive gadfly
Published on October 2, 2004 By stevendedalus In Politics

Just before WW II the draft was enacted and remained through peacetime and wars until Nixon ended it toward the close of Vietnam. Until then all males 18-25 had to register. In those days, because of the magnificent achievement of draftees during the big war, no one thought of the services made up predominantly through selective service as an ineffective force. The draft was actually considered an excellent way for the nation’s youth to take on responsibility and grow in character, while the DOD simultaneously saved huge sums by token stipends.

The perception has changed by the entrenchment of all-volunteer armed services. The advantage is that with relatively high pay, along with supporting families on base, morale is higher and the troops better trained by virtue of longer tours. On the other hand, voluntary service is infinitely costlier and yet if a global hot war broke out the numbers would not be there to handle it and would definitely lead to the return of the selective service to fill the gap. Even now with a relatively limited war the armed forces are already spread thin and render the nation vulnerable.

If, as is supposed, the threat of terrorism is on everyone’s mind, then the draft of single males and females should be reenacted, if not for combat readiness, at least as supportive personnel to free regulars from pencil pushing and mess halls to be trained for combat duty. This would not only enhance the availability of combat forces on alert, but would instil a truer sense of sacrifice and patriotism among the draftees.

Copyright © 2004 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: October 2, 2004.

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on Oct 07, 2004

Which is why most active duty refer to them as "Weekend Warriors" and do so with ALOT of scorn in their voice!


Exactly.  My husband's unit had a few, and they were useless.  I knew more about the job than they did, and ended up telling a couple of them who were working the gate what they were doing wrong....and I'm only 'almost a wingnut'!

on Oct 07, 2004

Reply #46 By: dharmagrl - 10/7/2004 12:57:58 PM
Which is why most active duty refer to them as "Weekend Warriors" and do so with ALOT of scorn in their voice!



Exactly. My husband's unit had a few, and they were useless. I knew more about the job than they did, and ended up telling a couple of them who were working the gate what they were doing wrong....and I'm only 'almost a wingnut'!


This is how bad they are. When I was in the USN (75-81) we had a couple of them on board ship with us. One of them didn't know port (left) from starboard (right).
When I say us, I mean the air wing (VAW123 onboard CV-60 USS Saratoga).
on Oct 07, 2004
When I was stationed in Okinawa in the 90's every couple of months we would get some reservists in for their yearly "Training". Because of the level of their prior training they would usually be used for cleaning the heads and offices or filling in on mess duty. As far as retention being a problem. I got out as a first termer in 99'. I can honestly say I only met a handful of people out of thousands over 4 years who were in their first term who planned to reinlist or were happy with the life style. In fact most of the staff NCO's I knew who reinlisted did so cause they already had so much time towards retirement there was no point getting out. Not cause they liked it or wanted to be there.
on Oct 07, 2004
They're 'trained' (and I use the term very loosely) and then they're turned back into civilians again. They use their training one weekend a month, 2 weeks a year (and that's being generous), not every day like regulars do. They're part-timers, and IMO they're not qualified. I can say with honesty that I have yet to meet one reservist who got activated who actually knew that the heck he was doing. Most of them don't even know how to salute or come to attention properly, let alone do their job.


It all depends on the Unit and who is in command, while my Dad worked as Liaison Officer for the 84th (Army Reserve), all the soldiers I met were all trained and professional from Private to LTC, so it all depends on the unit and who is in command and what they are doing for training. I used to joke around about this too while I was Active Duty but you just can't underestimate them or count them out because they are Reserve or NG, after all you need to look at the individual first and the unit second before making judgments that they are ill-trained.

From my experience with the Infantry OSUT, you can get some pretty dense people coming through for Active Duty. There are three varieties: book smarts but no common sense; common sense but dumb as a rock; or book smarts and common sense (rarest one sometimes).

A Bad Command (From Top Brass to CSM to 1SG to NCOs) equals Bad Soldiers, right?

As for the Draft to replace people over here, WHO? Come on what jobs? Do we only consider the Combat Arms jobs important? What jobs exactly do you want to replace with Draftees', hmm?

- GX
"I have no answers to your questions, but I can question your demands." - Motto Inspired by Laibach's WAT
on Oct 07, 2004

What jobs exactly do you want to replace with Draftees', hmm?
I answered that.
If your leader, or those who want and hope to be your leader, actually cared as much as they say they do about military personnel then they would be fighting tooth and nail to restore pay and benefits to a more equitable level. Alas, what you hear about is the deficit, which needs to be brought under control. And what is the first thing you think they are going to cut to help lower the deficit?
On the contrary, Kerry will restore benefits and better pay to the volunteers and veterans.

 

on Oct 07, 2004
I got out as a first termer in 99'. I can honestly say I only met a handful of people out of thousands over 4 years who were in their first term who planned to reinlist or were happy with the life style.
Good reality check here.
on Oct 07, 2004
I do agree when it comes to reservist units that poor follow up training does happen. (My first year in service was a reservist). They are some times called stocking stuffers, during mobilizations.

But I have been dealing with National Guardsmen as of late. I would have to say over 50% of the National Guard force are prior military. Allot depends on the unit and State that they are in. The Nevada Armored Cav. Bn. is the reserve Bn. to the OPFOR (Bad Guys) on Fort Erwin CA. national training area. That Bn. repeatedly thumps the active units sent to train there. Our Aviation units regularly train with Navy seals and are on constant call up for much of the Fire season.

I would rather deploy with these units then some Active units that I have been in the past.

All Guard Units are required to do retraining before deployment. The system for this training after two years is very thorough. They spend an average of three months in the train up. That’s one month longer then basic and two months longer then Kerry wants the Iraqi army training standards to be.

That's My Two Cents
on Oct 07, 2004
I answered that


You glossed over it by saying menial jobs. What are the job titles?

- GX
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