Constructive gadfly
Published on October 2, 2004 By stevendedalus In Politics

Just before WW II the draft was enacted and remained through peacetime and wars until Nixon ended it toward the close of Vietnam. Until then all males 18-25 had to register. In those days, because of the magnificent achievement of draftees during the big war, no one thought of the services made up predominantly through selective service as an ineffective force. The draft was actually considered an excellent way for the nation’s youth to take on responsibility and grow in character, while the DOD simultaneously saved huge sums by token stipends.

The perception has changed by the entrenchment of all-volunteer armed services. The advantage is that with relatively high pay, along with supporting families on base, morale is higher and the troops better trained by virtue of longer tours. On the other hand, voluntary service is infinitely costlier and yet if a global hot war broke out the numbers would not be there to handle it and would definitely lead to the return of the selective service to fill the gap. Even now with a relatively limited war the armed forces are already spread thin and render the nation vulnerable.

If, as is supposed, the threat of terrorism is on everyone’s mind, then the draft of single males and females should be reenacted, if not for combat readiness, at least as supportive personnel to free regulars from pencil pushing and mess halls to be trained for combat duty. This would not only enhance the availability of combat forces on alert, but would instil a truer sense of sacrifice and patriotism among the draftees.

Copyright © 2004 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: October 2, 2004.

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on Oct 04, 2004
As far as reenlistment goes, at the base where I live one out of every two soldiers I talk to says that they will not reenlist . . . and we're not just talking junior enlisted, we're talking career people, too. The deployment strain (which is turning out to be a year long tour every other year) is getting to be too much for the families to take. When reenlistment time comes, maybe these people will stay and maybe they will not (a nice fat reenlistment bonus can work wonders), but the outlook from the soldiers here is not very positive.
on Oct 05, 2004
Reply #16 By: Citizen Texas Wahine - 10/4/2004 11:14:16 PM
As far as reenlistment goes, at the base where I live one out of every two soldiers I talk to says that they will not reenlist . . . and we're not just talking junior enlisted, we're talking career people, too. The deployment strain (which is turning out to be a year long tour every other year) is getting to be too much for the families to take. When reenlistment time comes, maybe these people will stay and maybe they will not (a nice fat reenlistment bonus can work wonders), but the outlook from the soldiers here is not very positive


I'm not sure who you are talking to, but reenlistments are at a all time high. I'll pull some facts down at work in the morning.

That's My Two Cents
on Oct 05, 2004

I'm not sure who you are talking to, but reenlistments are at a all time high. I'll pull some facts down at work in the morning.
You must reside on planet Couch.


Couch, There's little point to refer to the source since you are already certain of blind remarks; yet for the record Oct 4, Newsweek.

on Oct 05, 2004
Thanks, Texaii, for once again being supportive.
on Oct 05, 2004
Texas and Steve

Read my post on To Despell a Myth. That will burst your bubble. As I said I don't know who you have been talking to.
on Oct 06, 2004
Lee: You are in no way bursting my bubble with anything you post. I have not yet read your article as I have not been on much lately, but I can tell you now that any statistics you pull out do not change my personal experience. The soldiers here (the ones deploying and not sitting at home on their asses) are fed up. Many of them who have put in 10+ years are ready to get out. That's what's going on with the 25th ID . . . we have over 10,000 soldiers in the middle east. THAT'S who I have been talking to . . . deploying soldiers and soldiers home on leave. I'll read your article when I get a chance, but again, no matter its content, it does not change my personal experience.

steven: No problem. Thanks for being an articulate voice for many who are denied a voice and for those like myself who looking for answers and looking for a tiny piece of hope.
on Oct 06, 2004
That a girl don't let anyone burst your bubble of hard, personal facts and observations. I love your courage in stating they're are so many who are "sitting home on their asses." Three cheers for grit!
on Oct 06, 2004

'm not sure who you are talking to, but reenlistments are at a all time high. I'll pull some facts down at work in the morning.


She's talking to the same kind of people I'm talking to. People who are walking the walk, and are serving their country, not just those who sit around and talk.  People are getting out left and right, basically because they're getting treated like shit.  Underpaid, overdeployed, overworked, undertrained....the benefits aren't what they used to be; you can see your medical benefits being whittled away before your eyes. 


Where are you getting your numbers from?  We're getting ours from the horses mouths.

on Oct 06, 2004

Read my post on To Despell a Myth


Oh, and who wrote this article?  I don't think it was you, as far as I can see you haven't written anything yet.  Can you link to it, please?

on Oct 06, 2004
Oh, and who wrote this article? I don't think it was you, as far as I can see you haven't written anything yet. Can you link to it, please?


I wrote the post, but the info came from the Army Times.

Link



on Oct 06, 2004

Reply #25 By: Lee1776 - 10/6/2004 3:29:05 PM
Oh, and who wrote this article? I don't think it was you, as far as I can see you haven't written anything yet. Can you link to it, please?


I wrote the post, but the info came from the Army Times.


And it's the same info that "Navy Times" and "Air Force Times" are using!
on Oct 06, 2004

And it's the same info that "Navy Times" and "Air Force Times" are using!


Yep...and of course, they're not biased at all, now are they?  To be honest, I stopped reading the AF Times because I found a lot of the material in it biased and inaccurate. 


Are you in the service, Lee?

on Oct 06, 2004
She's talking to the same kind of people I'm talking to. People who are walking the walk, and are serving their country, not just those who sit around and talk. People are getting out left and right, basically because they're getting treated like shit. Underpaid, overdeployed, overworked, undertrained....the benefits aren't what they used to be; you can see your medical benefits being whittled away before your eyes.


If you want I'll sent you my Bio with 17 years of service and presently processing deploying soldier and redeploying soldiers. No I have not been on the Ground in Iraq. My experience is only with Gulf War I, when it comes to combat.

But with the personnel I do work with in this unit, 50% has rotated (to include three out of five of my soldiers) through. Not counting the countless units that I have assisted.

You may live in a different area or maybe your "Vote for Kerry sign" on your lawn brings out the small percentage of disgruntled soldiers. But what I see and hear is that the disgruntled number of soldiers is very small (Read my above link for numbers). But unfortunately, many people have posted repeatedly that a large part of those who are returning are going to vote for Kerry. This is just not true. The number projected to vote for Kerry looks like it will be near half the number that voted for Gore in 2000.

That’s why I keep asking who you guys are talking too, because it does not match any other data as a norm. I would like to get into these guys mind, because I have not found any going through here to talk to.

That's My Two Cents
on Oct 06, 2004
Sorry if I came off snoty. I do respect everybodies opinion. Even if I do not agree with them.

Again I hope, I did not offend too many people lately.

Thanks
Lee1776:)
on Oct 06, 2004
Lee: I don't think you're getting me here . . . I am not talking about soldiers voting for Kerry, but rather soldiers who are unhappy with the "military lifestyle" (dharma has summed the problem up very well) as it stands today and are looking forward to getting out into the civilian world. While I have great respect and appreciation for your service to our country, I don't think it's fair for you to assume that the soldiers I have spoken to are somehow anomalies or that their thoughts are invalid.
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