You have just demonstrated why the Democrats keep losing. Liberals have bought into the myth that the majority of people agree with liberal views. They don't.

....hence the country is half in the shitter.

You're right they do not believe in liberal views but they believe in a safe environment, safety nets for the common folks, excellent public schools, najtional defense out of necessity, not choice, decent job security, fair trade, not free trade and they certainly should know that without the undepinnings of the Democratic party for the past seventy years, there wouldn't be half the goodies now enjoyed.

to grl, Yes, blue shit and red shit.

You say safety, but are we really safe? ~shrugs~ Seems too me the middle class is too take some responsibility for the situation at hand because they are generally the laziest, phonies of them all and are the ones most apathetic to anyones situation and are catylists between the rich and the media. There are exceptions to every rule but the majority of middle class people I have met, including my parents are most ignorrant of them all. I mean more people were intrested in Clinton's sex scandal which was a front to sway everyone off of his cheap realistate deals and murders committed.

ooops spaced out one point. Our schooling system is one of the worse in the world.

Why doesn't anyone realise that slander of another political party is not constructive at all??? I dont understand the point other than picking a fight. If you want to confront a democrat, or any one on the left - justify your gripe.

Where have you been since the Republicans have been in power? They taught us liberals how to utilize meanness!

You're right about the democrats in one sense, they aren't liberals, they are moderates. I saw Michael Moore speaking on CSPAN not long ago and he pointed out that the left majority is consistently scared into the middle and therefore, the republicans present a stronger leader that states a strong opinion about dynamic issues. As a big lefty, but a reluctant democrat, I would like to see the D-party come out with a candidate that truly leads, that clearly states his LEFT opinions, not one that bows to the grey area for safety.

You're right, too! FDR, Truman, and Kennedy are spinning in their graves.