Constructive gadfly
Published on December 15, 2005 By stevendedalus In Politics

In a unique approach posing as objectivity, a JU blogger impressively perceives the political spectrum as more diverse and divisive, with the exception of this site perhaps, than it really is. He is in reality seemingly talking about Italian politics not American. It has been a long tradition that there be a two party system with very large tents to reflect US geographical, ideological and cultural differences. Fringe groups like libertarians and old socialists at one time were content at simply gadflying outside the mainstream, until they realized, as did the religious right and the Greens, to integrate with either party for an occasional lagniappe, even though each party had  strains of the elements mentioned by the author. Aside from local politics, expanding the party system would only further the divide [think Green and Nader in 2000 and McCain and Bush in their intense primaries].

Granted Republicans strongly favor nationalism but without mentioning its being motivated by isolationism; and sparsely till now flirted with the “transnational.” Democrats since FDR were always nationalist and transnationalist in tandem but not with the progressive agenda to make the US subservient to the UN [which is what the author’s definition implies]. The “progressive” equation in Bush’s transnational leanings is confined to the democratization of Iraq and to some extent the Middle East as Truman, LBJ, and Nixon were to Korea and Vietnam.

“Liberals have started treating their philosophy as a religion with no room for heretics. You either buy into the whole line or you're out.” This is an example of a busy broad brush. The author makes no effort to suggest that the overwhelming majority of the religious right fits this statement even more so, [à la Harriet Meirs] but make up only 20% of the population and uses that— without juxtaposing the author’s own stat of 21% liberal — to show that liberals are overwhelmingly on the kook side as though Michael Moore controlled the wing and despite his having far less influence than Robertson on the other wing. At the same time the author wriggles in back treading his hard line that liberals are tantamount to “totalitarian” by then stating that it is not in their “genes of philosophy” but rather that liberals are just tossing sour grapes because they are out of power. This is an unremarkable proclivity of the powerless — for, if they did not bitch what would be the point of a two party system? I recall a Republican unanimous nay vote cast in the senate during Clinton’s first term, and it took Gore to break the tie for Clinton’s tax increase on the wealthy.

“By contrast, the kooks on the left may be roughly the same in number in absolute terms but because they represent a larger percentage of their movement, their voices get heard a lot more and carry more weight within the movement.” They do not represent a larger percentage in light of the many red and purple states in the union and therefore do not carry any more weight than those on the right. Rather it is the journalistic sensationalism, particularly when Hollywood celebrities mouth off, that they are heard inordinately, yet no more than the likes of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. I’ll grant you that Coulter and Kristol are unwelcome on campus because of all those nasty “professors” prodding their rambunctious liberal students. But what would be the reaction if Moore spoke at Texas A&M or Sheehan at Camp LeJeune? — even though I’d like to think the pride of the Marines would exercise discipline.

“ Without the burden of having to implement ideas, the left has found itself free to just complain about the solutions ‘the man’ is implementing.” The author has closed the door to the positive solutions put forth by liberal media calling for implementation of common sense ideas and that admittedly few Democrat office holders are offering much. [Hell, one in search of liberal positions needs only to read my many blogs splattered all over JU to find that there is indeed much more than my pissing and moaning.] 

Non-drilling in ANWR is not absolute, provided there is adequate federal oversight to see that it is done with respect for the immediate environment, and oil-riggers do have equipment now that can do this. However, the tone of the article is obvious: the author in taking the "capitalist" side does not want federal oversight for anything, ignoring the vast alternative energies in use or in development and to boot favored by many entrepreneurs and pure capitalists, despite the imputation that only the left protests with ‘not in my backyard,’ which is a people flaw across parties. As for nuclear power, the Three Mile nervousness still exists notwithstanding substantial  improvement, but we will get over it, and when we learn what to do with lethal waste.

What I'd like to see happen would be for the Democrats and the left in general to move a bit back to the right so that the fringe elements aren't so much in the spotlight. But not the Republican right to move a bit to the left, I presume. That is, this extraordinary and impressive thesis boils down to be right you must turn right, exposing apparently an elaborate exercise in sophistry.


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on Dec 15, 2005

They do not represent a larger percentage in light of the many red and purple states in the union and therefore do not carry any more weight than those on the right.

I think his point, and the proof in the pudding, is that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell do not nor have they ever run the Republican party.  Howard Dean does run the DNC.  That is the proof of his thesis.

on Dec 15, 2005
Sheehan at Camp LeJeune? — even though I’d like to think the pride of the Marines would exercise discipline.

After her antics decrying her son's decision, I think that she'd be taking her life into her own hands to step foot onto a Marine (or any other military) base. Calling a group of trained, hardened killers "baby killers" doesn't make it likely that you'll be greeted with open arms.

There's also the question - knowing that she would have an extremely hostile (ie, doesn't agree w/ her) audience there, would she even attempt to speak there?
on Dec 15, 2005
think his point, and the proof in the pudding, is that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell do not nor have they ever run the Republican party. Howard Dean does run the DNC. That is the proof of his thesis.
"Running" the DNC--mainly fund-raising--is not the same as influencing political action. Reid and Pelosi do that.
on Dec 15, 2005
There's also the question - knowing that she would have an extremely hostile (ie, doesn't agree w/ her) audience there, would she even attempt to speak there?


Precisely my point. "Violent" reactions are potentially on both sides.
on Dec 15, 2005
think his point, and the proof in the pudding, is that Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell do not nor have they ever run the Republican party. Howard Dean does run the DNC. That is the proof of his thesis.
"Running" the DNC--mainly fund-raising--is not the same as influencing political action. Reid and Pelosi do that.


You may want to rethink your stand on this Steve. This is from the DNC's very own charter and by-laws:


Section 1. The National Chairperson of the Democratic Party shall carry out the programs and policies of the National Convention and the Democratic National Committee.


Link
on Dec 15, 2005
Precisely my point. "Violent" reactions are potentially on both sides.

True. However - there's a difference between reacting to someone who's called you war criminals (and worse) and being denied the opportunity to speak. Conservative speakers have their speeches disrupted or shouted over. If Sheehan DID speak at Camp LeJeune, the Marines would a) counsel against it for safety, and when she stubbornly wanted to do it anyways, the individual troops would behave much better than the crowd for Ann Coulter's disrupted speech.
on Dec 15, 2005
If you neocons couldn't bash the "liberals," what would you talk about? If you stuck to the things Bush is doing that are actually good for the country, that would be a pretty brief discussion.
on Dec 15, 2005
"Running" the DNC--mainly fund-raising


And leading the direction of the party! reid and Pelosi could not lead the DNC out of a one way tunnel with a guide dog!
on Dec 15, 2005
There's also the question - knowing that she would have an extremely hostile (ie, doesn't agree w/ her) audience there, would she even attempt to speak there?


Precisely my point. "Violent" reactions are potentially on both sides.


Saying things like "she should be horse whipped" and actually doing it are 2 different things as well. Let's look at the actions.
on Dec 15, 2005
If you neocons couldn't bash the "liberals," what would you talk about? If you stuck to the things Bush is doing that are actually good for the country, that would be a pretty brief discussion.


The really strange thing is: I don't agree w/ a good chunk of what Bush does.

And I'm not a neocon.

I also happen to be one of those more ... enlightened individuals ... that actually thinks about the different issues, takes other opinions as input and spits out his own beliefs. I'm a right-leaning moderate on most things, but fiscally conservative, and ... rather confused over all. See my article (http://chaosmanager.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=77940) for an explanation of some of my beliefs.
on Dec 15, 2005
If you neocons couldn't bash the "liberals," what would you talk about? If you stuck to the things Bush is doing that are actually good for the country, that would be a pretty brief discussion.


First, calling anyone neocons, much less Steve, just shows your lack of comprehension to the English language, and the written word. And to the term itself.

Second, if you read more than 2 articles, you would find that us "neocons" talk about many things, and even slam Bush on some of his policies.
on Dec 15, 2005
My favorite conservatives seem to find a lot to talk about, every day. Much of their discussion covers both the things they like and the things they hate about the Bush Administration and its policies.

They also discuss everything from constitutional theory to trends in conservative philosophy to thanksgiving turkey recipes to Star Trek to liberal asshats to political minutia too boring to go into.

I honestly wish I could find a liberal group blog as diverse, lively, thoughtful, and independent as these guys. Sadly, the only thing even remotely like it on the liberal side is The Huffington Post Blog, and there's really no comparison.

So check out the Corner, at National Review Online. I guarantee you that every single day, someone there will take Bush to task for bad policy. And just as often, someone there will praise Bush for good policy. There seems to be no shortage of discussion there, on either topic.
on Dec 15, 2005
Sadly, the only thing even remotely like it on the liberal side is The Huffington Post Blog, and there's really no comparison.


Teehee, Hehe, Guffaw! That was a good one! The huffington post! LOL
on Dec 15, 2005
If you love Arianna Moonchild, check out this spoof site of her no Blogging allowed blog.
Link

on Dec 15, 2005
Sorry Steven, I did enjoy your take on the path that the extreme left should take. It seems as though they have been drifting farther left and that is what has turned off many voters who were disenchanted with the Republicans but didn't want a group of closet weathermen to get elected.
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