Constructive gadfly


“The earth belongs to each… generation during its course, fully and in its own right. The second generation receives it clear of the debts and incumbrances of the first, the third of the second, and so on. For if the first could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead and not to the living generation. Then, no generation can contract debts greater than may be paid during the course of its own existence.” Thomas Jefferson, Letter from Paris, September 6, 1789





Obviously Jefferson’s thesis is sound but not entirely applicable to this era. We have come along way from an agrarian nation in which capital does not spiral too well — that is, if slavery is not counted. The industrialization evolved rapidly, culminating in the oligarchy of the Robber Barons that effectively dictated the nation’s economy driven by investments and therefore lending, not only to enterprising individuals but to governments here and abroad as well. By this systemic procedure, the oligarchy insured itself perpetuity.





Though the names have changed and Theodore Roosevelt busted the anti-trust schemers, very little has changed, except for a brief period during the post WW II days when the cost of capital was dramatically reduced by spiraling wages, and the determination of government to pay down the war debt. This was only possible when revenue exceeded spending, helped by the growing intake of social security far outweighing its outlay.





Alas, increasingly the cold war — together with its many hot spots — took its toll on the wealth of the nation. Today there is a new war on terrorism causing the national debt — let alone the tax cuts — to enter the stratosphere — this very day at $7,063,087,073,837.25, and climbing daily by $1.97 billion. This means that each of us individually is indebted to the tune of $24,081.02 [Google Search]. And the baby boomers are fast approaching social security years! — while the plutocrats are licking their chops and manipulating the economy so they get more bang for the buck out of a shaky future.





Perhaps it is time to take another look at Jefferson and his moral point that it is unfair to saddle our children and theirs with this profligate trend.






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on Feb 20, 2004
Thomas Jefferson is also credited with saying : "The government that governs best governs least." So I'm with you. Let's axe Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare and other programs that eat up most of the budget. I am sure Thomas Jefferson would be appalled by those programs.
on Feb 20, 2004
Good point. Don't you think the Robber baron mentality still exists? ( just look at the comment above...)
on Feb 20, 2004
And god forbid one of our founding father's is wrong. I'm not saying he's wrong about everything, but let's not attribute mythic qualities to this guy.

Cheers
on Feb 20, 2004
If we really want to get rid of the debt, why don't we get rid of programs that help only those that aren't contributing to paying off the debt (i.e. welfare, social security) and use the taxes from that to pay the debt? If we did that as well as ended the war on terrorism (which is but one of the ways the government wastes our money), the debt would plummet!
on Feb 20, 2004
stevendedalus- So many times when I'm on my blog and click on the title of an article that catches my eye, it is one of your articles! And you've made another great point. But I see you've caught the attention of the welfare pair, too!
on Feb 20, 2004
Back in the days when thoughts were conjured and laws were made there was a measure of honesty that we don't have today.The founding fathers forgot to enclude the phrase [thoes who lie need not apply]for instance did you know there are more people that take social than need it?That there are people on welfare or other social programs that don't need to be?That the most money goes to the Lawers and management of the programs than to,the reciepients?Our founding fathers thought that laws would be obeyed,people would be honest.They didn't know The Oil Cartel,NASA, Halliberton, Enron, Politics in general etc.etc.It appears still easer for some people to cut down a tree than to dig it up the roots.
on Feb 20, 2004
Sometimes I wonder..Everyone has a point about how to cut the debt..but if suchandsuch program didn't exist..Do you think the money would pay off what we owe, OR..would another program come along to take its place?

I was watching an ad for the sentoral race and one candidate promised to stop spending the property tax on wasteful programs. It was a very slick commercial because he never outright said he'd cut the propterty taxation (though he cited how high it was)..but made it sound like if he was elected, it would be lessened..When all he said was "I won't spend it here. I'll find someplace *else* want to spend it on"...

So, if we did a jump for joy and got rid of welfare (or even kicked those off welfare who do not belong on it and ONLY the rightful people got the assistance nessecary)..the money would just be spent on some new project, pork, etc.,..

The cost of living for our Government continues to skyrocket and I doubt it would be able to operate with less money, even if it was spent on reducing the deficit.
It would be like asking Bill Gates to live on $10,000 a year. Just wouldn't work out so well.
on Feb 20, 2004
Ditto to the reply by'wise Fawn' I thought the same thing exactly.

This Jefferson Quote is used in a thesis as to the legality of all debt from one genereation to another, and has some good legal ponts to it. Jefferson also held that the Constitution should be opened for renewal and amendment at a convention each twenty years or so. He said this as if such did not occur, then inevitably the government would become corupt and so become as it is today, and also because philosophically under the thesis, no generation has the responsibility to be bound by its forebears errors and trials. The alternative, he felt, would be violent revolt.

The Constitution would be a living document and able to correct exigencies as they occured.
Each amendment should be call for Convention and only by avoiding it has it come to nought. I will e-mail the author of the thesis, a lawyer who wrote in the 1800's and was a next step of anarchy in his work. It is very interesting for it refutes such debt legality to another generation under contract law, also extending into the Federalism of governmment and absolving County-type jurisdictions of their debt under debtor rules of first come first served.

It amazes me how some miss the whole point of such writing, and sieze on it as an opportunity to dis-enfranchise Americans. Their world is made of teams, and enemies surround them in their own land. Someone did not teach this generation what an American is, for they think the fellow American is the enemy if they disagree with cabals and parties; bas-ackward thinking if there ever was such.

For those who see him otherwise, I beieve without Jeffersons' election in 1800 this country would have been lost to England without a shot being fired. He literally saved this country from becoming a vassal state of England. We became one anyway, but he was a great American and I'd take him over Bush or Kerry anyday.
on Feb 20, 2004
'course another way to get out of debt is to raise taxes... God forbid.

Cheers
on Feb 20, 2004
I think we forget where MOST of out governments money goes in to defense. (sure good that's doing us) How about less funding for our war-like government. Seriously now, can you say over kill? Why do we HAVE to be the worlds baby-sitters? Can't we all just get along?
on Feb 20, 2004
Dark-Star: You are incorrect. Here is a link to a pie chart on it: https://www.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=542

Most of our money goes to social programs. If you want to balance the budget, the best way, IMO, would be to do a cross-the board cut in all programs. Since social programs represent about 60% of federal outlays, that means 60% of the cuts would come from social programs.

WiseFawn: What exactly do you propose? "OH, such an insightful article, oh, he's so right, Thomas Jefferson believed we shouldn't leave behind debts." Thomas Jefferson, btw, also believed in trying to eliminate all federal taxes.

So you agree with what Thomas Jefferson wants as an end result but you guys are unwilling to do what Thomas Jefferson would actually do to accomplish it. In fact, you're not really willing to actually do anything to solve the problem. So in essence, you're just bellyaching.

Jeb: Feel free to tell us just how high the tax rate would be to balance the budget. Did you even do a rough calculation before making your statement that we could balance the budget by raising taxes? But gee, yea, I wish when I wanted more money I could just flip a switch and have my financial mismanagement solved that way. Sheesh.
on Feb 20, 2004
Wow, for living in a society with a corrupt government everybody hates, why hasn't anything been done about it?..No revolutions, no change of government. Heck, look at Haiti. We could be living in THAT kind of society.

Vive le Lunaticus.
on Feb 20, 2004
Wow, for living in a society with a corrupt government everybody hates, why hasn't anything been done about it?..No revolutions, no change of government. Heck, look at Haiti. We could be living in THAT kind of society.
Well said. I am sure someone living in some war torn country finds it pretty ironic that the biggest gripes we have with our government is its fiscal policy or at worst, imagined civil liberty violations.
on Feb 20, 2004
WiseFawn: What exactly do you propose? "OH, such an insightful article, oh, he's so right, Thomas Jefferson believed we shouldn't leave behind debts." Thomas Jefferson, btw, also believed in trying to eliminate all federal taxes


Umm, yes, I think this was a good and insightful article. $7,063,087,073,837.25, is the amout that stevendedalus mentioned, and I really don't think this most of this debt was because of social programs, do you? I shouldn't have teased, I usually try not to do that, especially in other's blogs. I got lost in the fact that someone was trying to turn this article into that.
on Feb 20, 2004
Most of our money goes to social programs.


Actually, when you cut out entitlements, like, debt service, paychecks, and pensions, and yes, god forbid, social security, Most of our money goes into defense. Even including Social Security as a welfare program, which it's not, because you're supposed to get back what you put in, the plurality of our money goes to defense. Don't believe me? Check it out for yourself.
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