Constructive gadfly
Published on January 4, 2005 By stevendedalus In Politics

Polygyny as a moral issue is of no concern; but it is in the realm of subjugating — men in the case of polyandry— women and children, just as in the potential of subjugation in a monogamous marriage. It is, of course, often argued that polygamy as well as homosexual marriage, has little effect on the great house that our founding fathers built and is not worth the prevailing dissension, in spite of the religious moralists fear that the house of God is in shambles because of these abominations — without equally targeting the abomination of the divorce rate.

On the other hand, common sense moral law would stipulate that any departure from the good of society, however seemingly private, exploiting the weak and defenseless is the business of society. Other than criminal abuse cases, protecting the weak in private enclaves of marriage between a man and a woman — admittedly difficult to ascertain — that may involve other means of psychological fear or conditions bordering on enslavement, it is nonetheless imperative that draconian inquiry or laws be forged — as was the case for Utah to enter the union — to violate so-called privacy. This is no different from the ASPCA intervening in behalf of abused pets, provided a tangible lead is furnished to alert officials.

Most of us believe that because of the concept of free will that we should “let live” those who choose a lifestyle as long as essential principles of law and tranquility are not disrupted; many, however, transcend this to the disruption of personal beliefs and conscience. For instance, the social wariness concerning homosexuality should not be a religious issue, particularly when there exists cogent conjecture that Jesus himself and his disciples could well have been of that persuasion. At any rate the religious argument is irrelevant. What should be the concern in this country — what with the power of persuasion in the media, particularly of entertainment — that not all enter this lifestyle freely but are trapped by physical make-up and forlornness and appears to be on the rise. One cannot argue with choice if it is made rationally and free of fear, but how can one tell without freedom of information? The same holds true for the “moral majority” who could very well be voting out of fear and misinformation.

In addition, choice can be dangerous if it is contaminated by false gods and circumstances. A young woman in poverty contemplating abortion, might not be an agent of choice so much as victimized by “no other choice” compulsion. A young, slim lad frustrated in the slow development of muscle and bombarded by machismo in film and sports might convince himself he is gay, blocking out alternatives; a fat, ugly lass never on a date might presumptively commiserate with another of her condition and engage in the only lovemaking available. Is it not the duty of a moral society to broaden alternatives for those thus victimized?

If, however, the house of our founding fathers is undermined by the sheer weight of devious choices, there should be a defining preemptive action to stop the tsunami of quaint, individuated values. For instance, what if the right to bear arms got out of hand to the degree of the wild west? What if hunters became an overwhelming majority and wiped out wild life as the gun freaks of the bison era? What if abortion became so widespread in the name of choice that the American population began to implode? Or worse, gays became the mainstream? What if the American majority became Islamic or Christian right? Or the corporate realm ruled the nation by edict from a court of billionaires, leaving fair labor, small business and the family farm in its wake ? Or the current political bias of a professional army can do no wrong caused a military coup? What if redneck Mississippi or waspish Massachusetts became the center of American politics? Is it not conceivable that the fever pitch of sports could degrade into violence for its own sake? What if the advertising and entertainment industries continued the runaway train toward total Dionysian destruction? Would there then be a call for the confrontation of moral issues, lest the house of our fathers crumble?

 

Copyright © 2004 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: January 4, 2005.

http://stevendedalus.joeuser.com

 

 


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on Jan 11, 2005

unless these men would normally rape other men, it sounds pretty gay


and if they dont', it doesn't?   what are you thinking?

on Jan 11, 2005
Homosexuality means that you’re attracted to and could fall in love with the same sex. I know some gay couples and they’re just a much in love as any hetero relationship. People have sex for sexes sake all the time. Doesn’t mean there in love with rubber or there hand. Women have sex other women all the time, but unless they’re gay there still turned on by men. Doesn’t mean their bisexual ether. For women it’s a lot shorter trip than it is for men. How many times have you been to a bar and seen two women dancing together provocatively. See anyone complaining or shouting lesbo’s, no. It’s perfectly acceptable in today’s society. Heterosexual men in prison may have sex with a man but there’s still a poster of a woman in his cell. I suppose your sexual orientation is defined by what you’re thinking about when experiencing sexual stimulus.
on Jan 11, 2005
I wouldn't have sex with a man... so it sounds pretty homosexual.
on Jan 11, 2005

Reply #13 By: kingbee - 1/11/2005 5:29:51 AM
I found it incomprehensible that any man--slim or otherwise--could compete with Liz Taylor



better even the most annoyingly virginal doris day on the most plastic doris day of her existence than the other alternative. (if you dont mind, please gimme a hint as to the title of your post about hudson...i musta missed it.)


heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I hadda huge crush on doris......
on Jan 11, 2005

Reply #19 By: Moderateman - 1/11/2005 2:50:57 PM

Reply #13 By: kingbee - 1/11/2005 5:29:51 AM
I found it incomprehensible that any man--slim or otherwise--could compete with Liz Taylor



better even the most annoyingly virginal doris day on the most plastic doris day of her existence than the other alternative. (if you dont mind, please gimme a hint as to the title of your post about hudson...i musta missed it.)


heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy I hadda huge crush on doris......


Shame on you.
on Jan 11, 2005

Extending your logic, steven, we should do away with marriage entirely because it involves a commitment from one to the other, and because SOME individuals abuse the perceived "power" they get out of a marriage relationship.


The government's role in protecting citizens should be strictly limited to providing remedies for those whose rights are denied them without due process (as is the case in many of the publicized polygamous relationships, although, it is impossible to tell if it is true even of a majority of them). The idea that a submissive relationship is wrong when entered into voluntarily by the submissive party and without force is a deeply flawed argument. People can and do choose such "submissive" relationships all the time, and have every right to enter into such relationships. BUT, they also have the right to protection from being pressured into such relationships against their will, and there we agree.


Your words, as usual, do inspire thought. But I don't think you've hit the nail on the head entirely with this one.

on Jan 11, 2005
Shame on you


sniff sniff YOU yelled at meeeeeeeeeeeeeee waaaaaaaaaaa
on Jan 11, 2005

One thing that has repeatedly been shown is young gay men needing to take VIAGRA before they go out at night to get excited.


Where the hell has this been shown?


Cheers

on Jan 11, 2005
Reply #22 By: Moderateman - 1/11/2005 4:22:10 PM
Shame on you


sniff sniff YOU yelled at meeeeeeeeeeeeeee waaaaaaaaaaa


Not yet I haven't. But I can if you really want me to.
on Jan 11, 2005
Reply #23 By: jeblackstar - 1/11/2005 4:49:13 PM
One thing that has repeatedly been shown is young gay men needing to take VIAGRA before they go out at night to get excited.



Where the hell has this been shown?


Let see.

1. HBO, Real Sex
2. TLC, "The new San Fran. Society" mostly about the new generation of Gays in that city after AID's destruction of the older generation.
3. One more Special that was on NBC, that followed a young gay man into the New York City gay set.

Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. If you want I'll call Sam (my best friends brother), who enlightened me to notice it if I'm watching any of those types of documentaries, for more of a list and I will even post one the warning pamphlets he gives out.

That's My Two Cents
on Jan 11, 2005

And the scientific reports are....?


Cheers

on Jan 11, 2005
ask any woman (or man for that matter) whos been raped just how sexual it was.  

rape is battery that involves sexual organs rather than a bat or a tire iron or fists and other parts of the body.  in prison (or any similar situation) same-sex rape is a tool to establish domination or to humiliate (heteroseexual rape is the same).


Sexual doesn't mean it's super happy fun time. It means it involves sex, and sexual acts, and it does. There is something sexual about rape, just like there's something sexual about paedophilia, but sexual does not mean it's good super happy fun time. If not, then we could pretend that having sex for the sex is not necessarily a sexual act.

and if they dont', it doesn't?   what are you thinking?


Well, if they wouldn't normally rape a man, then it truly is an act of dominance and in no way a preference for men.
on Jan 11, 2005
Extending your logic, steven, we should do away with marriage entirely because it involves a commitment from one to the other, and because SOME individuals abuse the perceived "power" they get out of a marriage relationship.



The government's role in protecting citizens should be strictly limited to providing remedies for those whose rights are denied them without due process (as is the case in many of the publicized polygamous relationships, although, it is impossible to tell if it is true even of a majority of them). The idea that a submissive relationship is wrong when entered into voluntarily by the submissive party and without force is a deeply flawed argument. People can and do choose such "submissive" relationships all the time, and have every right to enter into such relationships. BUT, they also have the right to protection from being pressured into such relationships against their will, and there we agree.


Thank you for posting this. Polygamists might be a minority like homosexuals, but unlike homosexuals, they don't have representation, which is why I see people assuming the worst of them and justifying their intolerance of it.
Besides, like you said, there are power struggles in all sorts of relationships, even homosexual relationships!
on Jan 11, 2005

Reply #26 By: jeblackstar - 1/11/2005 6:29:35 PM
And the scientific reports are....?


Why must *everything* be backed up by *scientific* reports?
Out of the 3 posted, one of them is from a homosexual society and another one that was from a homosexuals viewpoint. So you think a scientific report will know better then someone who is/was a homosexual and sees this stuff on a regular basis?
on Jan 11, 2005
Thank you for posting this. Polygamists might be a minority like homosexuals, but unlike homosexuals, they don't have representation, which is why I see people assuming the worst of them and justifying their intolerance of it.
Besides, like you said, there are power struggles in all sorts of relationships, even homosexual relationships!


Since when is polygamy not illegal?
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