Constructive gadfly
Published on September 14, 2011 By stevendedalus In Philosophy

I don’t have a problem with atheists — each to his own comfort level — nonetheless, it is ridiculous for one of that inclination to get rattled to the extent that others of belief are denied their comfort. Atheism by definition is free from religion. Theists are free to believe as they see fit; atheists should look upon these  " misguided" as pathetic but have the right to the "wrong" path. If, however, atheist take on the passion of "religion" in their belief that there is no God, they in reality are in the business of propagating their non-faith as feverishly as the old Marxist line. In this respect they are as trapped in "belief" as the rest of us pathetic  old fools. They should therefore lobby for a limited currency series that states "In "God we do not trust," or a postage stamp that shows a black hole with the inscription "Godless."  


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on Dec 05, 2011

lulapilgrim
What Glenn Beck is doing is not ficticious. He' s very busy pushing Zionism

He's pushing an agenda that promotes his accumulation of personal wealth. Simply practicing capitalism and saying whatever he thinks will gain him an audience and advertisers. He is actually a really good example of a propagandist. His views of many things changed practically overnight as can be seen if you compare what he was "pushing" while he was employed with CNN and then FOX.

lulapilgrim
we are up against and are willing to keep America from falling into the domination and tyranny of a one world government

There is no threat of falling into some fictitious one world government. This is propaganda being spread to influence those who are easily motivated by fear.

on Dec 05, 2011

lulapilgrim
There is only one New World Order forming, but it has many different factions contributing, working toward its main goal which is world socialist dictatorship. The American Humanist Association is but one of these factions. Besides militant Secular and Atheistic Humanists, other factions working towards a NWO are Radical Feminism and Radical Environmentalism

Smoothseas
This is propaganda being spread to influence those who are easily motivated by fear.

Yes, the One World Order is being formed and it will choose evil over good.

Smoothseas
There is no threat of falling into some fictitious one world government.

"Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come as a revolt first and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, who opposeth and is lifted up above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself as if he were God." 2Thess. 2:3-4.

The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as a One World Order revolt where all these factions come together and led by the antichrist rise against the Catholic Church who is the only one that will stand against it.

 

on Dec 06, 2011

Lula, I have told you many times that you guys have purposefully made enemies of the whole world ... and now you see your chickens coming home to roost. Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha. Everyone chooses evil over good ... whenever they oppose RCC dogma ... we are used to that by now you know. Speaking in parables is akin to speaking with forked tongues ... manipulate-able truths, got to love it. You get “The New World Order” out of that mystical book of yours huh … “The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as …” you are joking right??? So the world at large is cooperating (WTF) in a conspiracy to overthrow the RCC huh … besides you guys who cares? It is easy to see how one gets into a predicament like this … zero friends implies many enemies. Too bad they are mostly self-imposed … that is where you lose a lot of my sympathy though.

on Dec 08, 2011

BoobzTwo
Lula, I have told you many times that you guys have purposefully made enemies of the whole world ... and now you see your chickens coming home to roost. Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha. Everyone chooses evil over good ... whenever they oppose RCC dogma ... we are used to that by now you know. Speaking in parables is akin to speaking with forked tongues ... manipulate-able truths, got to love it. You get “The New World Order” out of that mystical book of yours huh … “The "revolt" mentioned here may be understood as …” you are joking right??? So the world at large is cooperating (WTF) in a conspiracy to overthrow the RCC huh … besides you guys who cares? It is easy to see how one gets into a predicament like this … zero friends implies many enemies. Too bad they are mostly self-imposed … that is where you lose a lot of my sympathy though.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that "Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: behold this is new, for it hath already gone before in the ages that were before us."

The opposition between those for or against God has been going on since the fall of the Adam and Eve and will continue until the end of the world. All through the ages, people

choose to believe or not believe God.

choose to Love or hate God. 

choose to obey God's commands or transgress His commands.

choose to strive to do His will or follow the desires of their corrupt hearts, and love the world and themselves above all things as if it were their god. 

choose to do Good or evil.

choose the Light or darkness.

That Christ was hated and had enemies is nothing new. That down through the ages, His Church is hated and has enemies is nothing new. Christ warned it would be this way and it has been like this since 33AD.  St. John chapters 15 and 16 explain it all quite clearly. Verse 18, Christ states, "If the world hates you, know that it hated Me before it hated you.   He said "the world loves its own.." And we see that sure is true.

But Christ gives us great consolation in dealing with the world...He says the world will rejoice while we are weeping and lamenting and being persecuted but, it won't be forever before our sorrow will turn to joy. He said "in the world, you will have great tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

BoobzTwo
Looks like RCC Inc. is in trouble to me, hahaha.

Yep, the CC is definitely going through some tough storms, but those who persevere in Faith, Hope and Charity  have nothing to fear as Christ promised that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church and the Holy Spirit is guiding her and will until the end of the world.

Actually, BT, it's the world, those in the world who choose not to believe, to hate God, to disobey Him, to do evil (sin), and prefer the darkness  who are in trouble....grave trouble. They are in the same position as all those impious people of the corrupt world of Noah's day. God gave them 120 years to repent before He let loose His wrath upon them. They remained determined to walk on the road of ruin and they all perished except those who were in the Ark.

Well, the Ark is a type of the Catholic Church. There was only one ark of safety and there is only one Church in which there is salvation. ( I mentioned this in the other blog). The Ark was designed and built according to God's direction and so was the CC founded by Christ.  The Ark didn't sink in the Great  Flood, bieng protected and guided by God, and even so the CC won't sink amid the storms of hatred and persuction that surrounds her today and will in the future when all the forces of evil come together against her.

 

on Dec 08, 2011

Lula, you are foolish at times. Since when does my disbelief in any god have to do with hating anything let alone whoever you choose to submit your whole life to? The only people I know who hate everyone else and everything they stand for and … that would be you RCC guys. You like to choose everyone’s words for them but they are not realistic in many cases. How in the world could I hate something I do not believe in … do you know how silly this sounds? That is as silly as asking me to prove that your one God doesn’t exist … ditto. You brought up the Ark once before and I asked you then if you really wanted to go there … you declined … then you brought it up again and again??? For the most part I couldn’t care less about religion(s) or how people practice them or what and why they believe in them … I just don’t care. I really don’t care what else you do with it … just keep it out of our schools. Why would I choose to do ‘evil’ things … just because I do not believe in God … are you actually that crazy??? Do you know what the Earthly penalties are for doing ‘evil’ things … you have to be joking??? But that is beside the point. I do have many problems with the RCC though as I hold them directly responsible for the withholding and destruction of much of our past accomplishments and knowledge in the hopes of keeping the sheeple docile and ignorant. I blame them for hundreds of thousands of brutal murders, torture and dismemberment, countless lies and deceits, thieving, plundering and mass murdering including infanticide. I guess this kind of crap is ok in your god’s eye … so it is probably cool to you guys too I suppose. How nice it must be to always get that ‘Seal of Approval’ whenever you want to steal, maim or kill stuff (even the livestock and vegitation).

on Dec 09, 2011

BoobzTwo
Since when does my disbelief in any god have to do with hating anything let alone whoever you choose to submit your whole life to?

BoobzTwo
How in the world could I hate something I do not believe in … do you know how silly this sounds?

Please don't take it personally. It's not meant that way. I know you are a unique person who may not fit into every detail of Atheism, at least as far as I can tell, certainly not militant Atheism.

I always try to generalize Atheism or Secular Humanism, Zionism, Radical Feminism etc. 

BoobzTwo
The only people I know who hate everyone else and everything they stand for and … that would be you RCC guys.

Nope, you've got the wrong crowd for hate. 

God is Love. Christ taught love by example and He commanded that we are to love our neighbor, even our enemies; to do good to them which hate us. Catholics have a duty to love everyone without exception, becasue of their intrinsic dignity as a human person made in the image and likeness of God.

We desire for everyone eternal life. Of course, that doesn't mean we have to be a doormat to those who wish us harm.

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BoobzTwo
You like to choose everyone’s words for them but they are not realistic in many cases.

The best I can do is tell the truth.The truth is always real.But sometimes it hurts and is hard to take.

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BoobzTwo
For the most part I couldn’t care less about religion(s) or how people practice them or what and why they believe in them … I just don’t care. I really don’t care what else you do with it … just keep it out of our schools.

Here is a bit of Militant Atheism coming out.

And the battle lines are drawn....you want God and religions, specifically Christianity, out of government schools but are quite content in having your religion, secular and atheistic humanism in its place. 

I'll respond to the rest of your post, but right now gotta go make lunch.

 

 

 

on Dec 09, 2011

Lula, I too speak in generalities much more often than I intend to so I know how that goes. Often when I say "you" I do not mean 'you' I mean the whole RCCC thing ... sometimes I do though so I will try to be more careful. It is interesting the way you pick and choose what to argue against. Take this for instance: “And the battle lines are drawn....you want God and religions, specifically Christianity, out of government schools but are quite content in having your religion, secular and atheistic humanism in its place.” What battle is that … certainly not my battle anyway? What special consideration do you think Catholics deserve to allow the teaching of their religion in government schools? When one theology is being admitted … well there are many theologies out there you know but of course they do not deserve consideration … gotcha. I can just see the circus, hahaha; RCC sued by Baptists, sued by Mormons, sued by Islamists, sued by evangelicals, sued by the Hare Krishna … just to get the right flavor of pollution to brainwash our children with, hahaha. Yea, that will surely help things out go figure???Just for the record, secular and atheistic humanism has always been the mainstay of modern public schools (RRR) … none of this in its place nonsense. You guys are trying to break into the public school system … well lots of luck there, not. As far as the hate goes, would despise, detest or condemn work better for you. You may think “God is Love” but neither you nor your church have the least idea how to express it to anyone besides yourselves on any other terms than your own of course. Maybe it would be much faster if you just told me which groups around the world are associates and friends of the RCC because my list would take all day to compile. Lula, you use the word “hate” more than anyone I know … such compassion is almost overwhelming. You just love everyone and everyone just hates you (my-oh-my) … sounds like one of them arduous conundrums to me. Just remember, you guys made the rules that we are all supposed to follow (just because you say so) … how has that been working out for you? After a couple thousand years of a failed strategy, I think you should reconsider things. If you RCC guys could just leave secular society alone, stop trying to force lost issues on everyone else, give up concurring the world and clean up your own nasty houses … you might actually get some respect for a change. Until that time though, you have the status quo …

on Dec 09, 2011

BoobzTwo
Why would I choose to do ‘evil’ things … just because I do not believe in God … are you actually that crazy???

I note you put the word evil in parenthesis. Perhaps we should first define evil and by evil. I mean in the moral sense.

When I speak of evil, I mean sin. Man has free will to choose evil or not....that is to sin or not. Sin is the reason of moral evil in the world and man's free will to sin or not is the proximate reason. 

BoobzTwo
Why would I choose to do ‘evil’ things … just because I do not believe in God … are you actually that crazy??? Do you know what the Earthly penalties are for doing ‘evil’ things … you have to be joking???

Atheism, in and of itself, is evil (meaning sin). And no one is forcing belief in Atheism. Atheism is one's free choosing. so in this sense, one chooses to do evil. Atheism is a grave sin against the First Commandment of Almighty God.

Atheism is serving someone or something else other than the One True God as god.  It could be self, man, power, money, science...etc.

I reject Atheism and all its forms and anything that contributes to it, that leads to it and the spread of it as well as atheistic ideologies such as Totalitarianism, Communism, and Socialism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Dec 09, 2011

 

BoobzTwo
It is interesting the way you pick and choose what to argue against.

Especially on other's blogs other than my own, I pick and choose what to argue because it's very easy to get side tracked and de-rail a discussion or hijack the blog and I don't want to do that.

Another reason is time. I'm willing to spend only so much time in front of this computer. I'm sure you understand.

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BoobzTwo
Take this for instance: “And the battle lines are drawn....you want God and religions, specifically Christianity, out of government schools but are quite content in having your religion, secular and atheistic humanism in its place.” What battle is that … certainly not my battle anyway?

I made this point  because you said: For the most part I couldn’t care less about religion(s) or how people practice them or what and why they believe in them … I just don’t care. I really don’t care what else you do with it … just keep it out of our schools.

This is and has been all along a battle between Christians and Militant Atheists. (As you must know it is militant atheists who have sued to have God and Christian prayer and principles and values taken out of schools) and in saying this you have indeed joined the battle on the side of militant atheists is all I meant and want to point out. 

 

on Dec 09, 2011

Dr Guy
Their "non-faith" is a faith.  Since the existence of God is unproven and the non-existence is also non-proven, they have to accept on faith there is none.  That others believe there is appears to be a threat to their core beliefs, so they become as bad as a proselytizing religious person.

 

Interesting position for a Christian to take, most say that Zeus, Odin, Thor, or Epona do not exist. Yet you take the position of that you do not believe they exist, and you can not prove that they do they exist, or not.

on Dec 09, 2011

Flakey101 ... excellent point, hahaha! When I was young I used to have a crush for Thor ... maybe he can make a comeback. It is amazing where the mind could wander if there was no need to prove something exists or could ever have existed ... is it all in the mind then … naw, I wouldn't be this cruel to myself, hehehe. Never figured out what the Doc meant by atheist core values??? Atheist do not believe in any god … no more and no less. If that qualifies as a “way of life” or “some inverse theology” or something who am I to argue, hahaha. There is no atheist ideology at play, no atheist agenda, no atheist rituals and no atheistic superstitions and thus there is no atheistic theology or whatever. If something is not proven to exist … then there is no burden of proof to consider beyond that point. Only an idiot would even attempt to try and disprove something that wasn’t proven to exist in the first place ... Welcome to the illogical world of religion, hahaha … and politics. I tried to prove God existed … not the other way around … and I couldn’t is all.

Lula, evil as used here is anything that opposes Catholic dogma, now or anytime in the past … wouldn’t you agree? And since I do not know who I could offend, I do not believe in sin … so evil will have to do it for me. What in the world is evil about atheism other than our disagreement on the status of your God? Maybe the problem here is that you view everything opposed to your self-proclaimed powers and perspectives as atheistic. Surely you could refine this into more manageably sized groups … but I guess it is just too convenient to attack all of us on just one front … you guys are manipulative beyond comparison. I don’t hate you or Christianity or Islam or whatever else there is, I don’t even hate your God … I just do not believe in any of this. But you guys hate everyone outside your particular folds all the while pretending to be spreading God’s love. If the RCC is anything, the description you provided works well; “Totalitarianism, Communism, and Socialism” all in one bundle. What would you call it when you are not allowed any personal or private deviation from doctrine under penalty of everlasting damnation … yea I know free will, hahaha.

on Dec 10, 2011

lulapilgrim
Perhaps we should first define evil and by evil. I mean in the moral sense.

When I speak of evil, I mean sin. Man has free will to choose evil or not....that is to sin or not. Sin is the reason of moral evil in the world and man's free will to sin or not is the proximate reason. 

BoobzTwo
Lula, evil as used here is anything that opposes Catholic dogma, now or anytime in the past … wouldn’t you agree?

Evil as used here is really a negation or privation of good and all good comes from Almighty God. Good in the world can only be accounted for by the existence of God. The short of it is evil as used here is anything that opposes God and His commands. 

As far as Catholic dogma on this, 

Christ said, "Let not your hearts be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father's house are many rooms, if it were not so would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?....I will come again and will take you to Myself, that where I AM you may be also. And you know the way where I am going.....I am the Way, and the Truth and the Life."

So, Christ tells us He is Truth and what did He do that we might know Him (God) and His infallible truth? He established a teaching infallible Church.   Catholic dogma teaches this revealed truth about good and evil is all.

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on Dec 11, 2011

Lula, are you sure this drivel is the best you could pick from my comment??? Defining evil ... that’s it? You jump on meaningless things with the hopes of avoiding the actual issues. You are all about camouflage and it is all superficial at best. This is exactly how you try to control the scope of a conversation ... I would call it damage control myself ... so I am going to try and chat with small comments … that should make it more difficult for you to direct traffic away from the actual topics.

on Dec 12, 2011

 

BoobzTwo
Lula, are you sure this drivel is the best you could pick from my comment??? Defining evil ... that’s it?

As far as your comments, I try to take one point at a time.  Where we agree, I support. Where we disagree, I refute and explain why. 

You complain I speak in generalities, yet when I get specific as in this case concerning evil, you call it drivel.

You make a claim and when I refute it, instead of defending your claim, you clam up and move on to the next claim.

 

BoobzTwo
Lula, evil as used here is anything that opposes Catholic dogma, now or anytime in the past … wouldn’t you agree?

Evil exists and the first thing to understand about evil (sin) is that it opposes God and His commands. All Catholic dogma does is teach Christ's teachings why we should avoid evil and not do it.  

Moral evil is sin...and sin is something you don't believe in...so, that's a whole new discussion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Dec 13, 2011

Look at the question again … the drivel comment was directed at my own comment since I assume everything I have to say is drivel to you.

BoobzTwo
Lula, evil as used here is anything that opposes Catholic dogma, now or anytime in the past … wouldn’t you agree?
All you had to do is agree?
lulapilgrim
Evil exists and the first thing to understand about evil (sin) is that it opposes God and His commands. All Catholic dogma does is teach Christ's teachings why we should avoid evil and not do it.
Religion teaches God's love and kindness and acceptance of others. Catholic dogma as best I can figure out just teaches hate ... as in how to hate everyone else.
lulapilgrim
Moral evil is sin...and sin is something you don't believe in...So, that's a whole new discussion.
No way ... now how am I going to discuss this junk with you ... it is absolutely ridiculous. I couldn’t care less what you call my indiscretions (sins). If you cannot equate my evil with your sin … well I won’t be in that discussion is all, hahaha. I am tired of talking about stupid things like this … this … camouflage!

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