Constructive gadfly
Published on April 30, 2009 By stevendedalus In Politics

 

Exchanging ideas is essential to a free society. However, when on the tax system a letter writer who is a math teacher says the government ought not to penalize taxpayers who are wealthy owes to free speech the entire equation. The tax system does not nor should it consider a simplistic proportion as the writer advocates, for it is just another flat tax scam that sees no unfairness to one percentage fits all. Progressive tax is based on taxable income meaning income after one has had the ability and means to take care of himself reasonably well.

It is this differentiation between minimum essentials and play money left over that drives the concept of progressive tax. High income brackets are being taxed theoretically on nonessential income—income beyond basic creature comfort— but this is not as severe as it reads. In an enlightened society, even during the 90+% FDR era, loopholes were abundant for such things as capital gains, second homes, mortgage interest and real estate taxes, but primarily for business large and small to reinvest in their activity to maintain and create jobs, thus growing the economy.

As for charities the writer is worried about, FDR implied if you don’t extend the benefactor hand, the government will. That is why since then there have been so many partnerships of government and foundations that have substantially made life better for those in need.


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on May 02, 2009

That's the problem... who should determine how much is enough.

I don't see the problem.

I decide how much I work. I decide how much is enough for me.

Where is the problem?

 

on May 02, 2009

But if each person decides only for themselves then we might have a problem. Let's say that we have people who decide they owe the government nothing, which I'm sure you can agree there's more than one person in this country who would decide that, and the government doesn't end up with enough money to support our defences for example. What kind of country would we be without a military that is equipped to handle what other countries would throw at us? Would we still have a country? I guess there would be no reason for us to argue this point then, now would there.

on May 02, 2009

But if each person decides only for themselves then we might have a problem. Let's say that we have people who decide they owe the government nothing, which I'm sure you can agree there's more than one person in this country who would decide that, and the government doesn't end up with enough money to support our defences for example. What kind of country would we be without a military that is equipped to handle what other countries would throw at us? Would we still have a country? I guess there would be no reason for us to argue this point then, now would there.

You have changed the subject from deciding how much is enough for person to make to deciding how much is needed for the country to work.

Those are two different subjects.

Nobody here is saying that taxes should not be paid or aren't owed. The point of the "enough" is about how much people get to keep.

Let's put it this way: If we agree that government must be funded, who is allowed to say that SOME people have to contribute MORE than others?

 

on May 02, 2009

Leauki


You have changed the subject from deciding how much is enough for person to make to deciding how much is needed for the country to work.

Those are two different subjects.

Nobody here is saying that taxes should not be paid or aren't owed. The point of the "enough" is about how much people get to keep.

Let's put it this way: If we agree that government must be funded, who is allowed to say that SOME people have to contribute MORE than others?

 

Actually, I haven't changed the subject at all. If we want the country to work then "ENOUGH" must be what ends up making the ends meet. That's why we elect representatives who get together and help make up the laws that determine how much is "ENOUGH" for each of us to pay. It's the logical thing to do, isn't it? I mean that's one of the reasons why we have elections for House and Senate representatives, to decide what needs to be done with all factors considered. If you don't like the outcome then elect someone who will vote for the outcome you do want, that's how the system works.

on May 02, 2009

Does it really matter if people aren't "hurt" by higher taxes.  The point is, they worked for their money, and other people think that they are entitled to the work of others.  That's called slavery.

on May 02, 2009

Oh, c'mon, now--that's BS. No one in that bracket leaves themselves vulnerable without ferreting out every conceivable tax shelter.

So you are calling him a liar? Do you really think there are magical "tax holes" for rich people? rich people pay the most taxes. TV is not an accurate source of information, and draginol and his tax firm can not find those magical tax holes you proclaim to exist.

on May 02, 2009

We worked 24/7/265 for shit pay in order to do what we deemed necessary, help defend this country and it's rights, which are still unique in the world.

Wow, things sure have changed in the military...I was on duty 365 day (except for leave)! I should have read my contract closer to get that 100 days off!

That's almost half as good as congress 

Couldn't resist.

on May 02, 2009

That's why we elect representatives who get together and help make up the laws that determine how much is "ENOUGH" for each of us to pay.

Therein lies the problem. Once the representative is elected, his/her salary becomes far larger than the majority of their constituents (not to mention the perks). Since their future wealth is loosely tied to what the government brings in. It is in their interest for plenty of money coming in, as it is much easier to justify bigger raises (but they will take them regardlessly). Also, if the current batch cabinet appointees are any indicator, seem like a lot of these folks don't pay all their owed taxes until they get caught as they move up the chain. The percentage must be high if the latest small sampling is an indicator.

Everyones worried about the what the rich pay, but nobody wants to address the fact that if you want more money, why not work harder and earn it. Why take your own limitations out on someone else. Why do we lie to our children and tell them study hard and do well so they will get a good job and be successful. According to the current administrations philosophy, we should tell the kids, let someone else study hard, and it will be their responsibility to take care of you. Everyone gets an "A", all athletes get gold medals, a true celebration of mediocrity. Everyone gets the same, regardless of the effort put forth. 

on May 03, 2009

Your half right this is the land of Oz, oblivious to what is happening. But it's not lions, tigers, and bears that concern me. It's Obama, Pelosi, and Reid oh my, that is the real nightmare.
Touche! to the man behind the curtain.

on May 03, 2009

So in exchange for his military service he gets a progressive disability for the rest of his life and people acting like he's shit because he gets disability.
In spite of all the grandstanding about supporting our troops, these hardship scenarios are still prevalent.   Disgusting.

on May 03, 2009

According to the current administrations philosophy, we should tell the kids, let someone else study hard, and it will be their responsibility to take care of you.
Ho-hum, Just another tired rant against the alleged nanny state.

on May 03, 2009

So you are calling him a liar?
Certainly not, nor do I know who Frogman is. The fact remains he must have lousy tax consultants.

on May 03, 2009

Actually, I haven't changed the subject at all. If we want the country to work then "ENOUGH" must be what ends up making the ends meet.

That's the change of subject. I wasn't talking about the country. I was talking about the individual and liberals' tendency to decide for others how much is "enough" for them to own.

 

on May 03, 2009

The fact remains he must have lousy tax consultants.

Well, he asked. Please tell him of those loopholes.

 

on May 03, 2009

Wow, things sure have changed in the military...I was on duty 365 day (except for leave)! I should have read my contract closer to get that 100 days off!

That's almost half as good as congress 

Couldn't resist.

Doh! Well, you knew what I meant. lol I was simply explaining my circumstances as he explained his. We're opposite ends of the spectrum, that's all I was getting at.

Well, he asked. Please tell him of those loopholes.

As for what exactly he could do as far as taxes is concerned, unless he was willing to show me his complete financial records I can't tell you what he does or does not qualify for, and I'm not going to ask for that information.

 

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