Constructive gadfly
Published on July 24, 2004 By stevendedalus In Philosophy

Human nature from time immemorial has questioned the substance of its existence. What is consciousness and why can it not satisfy the curiosity of what is one’s inner being? No matter the degree of philosophic intentionality of the self there is always a haunting reflection of another. Because of this human nature invariably turns to what seems the invisible within, an incomprehensible mysterious phenomenon that seems an integral element of whole being.

There are three epistemological paths to this mystery. First, is the popular tentative philosophic solution by ascribing this inexplicable phenomenon to God or an intelligent substratum. Second, is to sustain an endless inquiry agnostically and that at best doubt will still persist in the end Third, is to dismiss it outright atheistically as a mere haunting feedback of a lonely vacuum within being but nonetheless existential.

Nether of these warrant a value judgment since each is the unique psychological property of one’s makeup and should not be violated. An atheist, for instance, has an individual right to deny the existence of God within his own psyche, but has no right to overlay this denial to others who disagree and therefore cannot logically interpret his dismissive attitude that it become a socially universal reality. Nor can a theist extend judgment beyond his own individuated psyche, though he may engage in dialogue with a kindred sect to modify the public concept but must be careful not to impose it on others even though it is widely accepted. The agnostic, on the other hand, might logically induce practicum of the other two in order to probe their validity unless, of course, he is disinterested and lets the chips fall.

This is not to say that atheists among their kind are not permitted the privilege of believers who proselytize their faith without denigrating those of another faith or philosophic bias. Nevertheless, an atheist has a unique character in that it is in the quagmire of existential veracity that runs contrary to human nature’s tendency to wish a spark of divinity to render full meaning to its existence. Even the agnostic tilts in this direction, though he confesses he could be wrong or indifferent to the outcome.

The atheist, then, has to soft-shoe his bias because of its defiance of the course of human history, but is free to proclaim philosophically that the empty feedback within is a reflection of the emptiness of divine purpose in the universe. Within this framework, he cannot compete with faith since his is a philosophy, prohibiting him from comparing apples with oranges. Yet as a philosopher he is free to criticize annoyances such as “under God” or “In God we trust” but cannot claim the right to efface traditional symbols from society as long as they do not violate society’s laws; only those who believe and begin to question ecclesiastic proclamations and relics are in a position to delete them.

More important is that believers should not tread on atheism either, as if it were a competitor out to crush them. If as some believers perceive an atheist is godless, then those of faith run the risk of self-entrapment by precluding the grace of God in other humans.

 

Copyright © 2004 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: July, 24, 2004.


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on Aug 10, 2004
What can I say after Pearl's post? Too much to go into detail, I would have to address both the original post and Pearl's reply. I agree with a lot of what steven had to say, semantic criticism aside. I see why Pearl attacks it, but as David said, I don't think anyone really appreciates a two page attack meant to make someone feel stupid. Certainly the target of the attack won't appreciate it, but neither do the commentators when it's two pages of self-righteous, self-promotive drivel used to place oneself on a pedastal high above the rest of us.

Diplomacy and finesse are a better way to get someone to listen to you.
on Aug 10, 2004
Pearly, come down off that pedestal young man.
on Aug 10, 2004
Wow, Pearl has balls! He'll be hearing more from me.
on Aug 11, 2004
 

1) Proselytization is a natural outgrowth of faith. How is it then a 'privilege'?
2) Privilege is granted by authority. Since the 'god' of atheists is actually the absence of deity in any form, what authority do they turn to in order to be granted this privilege?
3) How is it, Mr Dedalus, that you have managed to write this utter nonsense without ever realising that you expose yourself to this kind of simple attack?

1. Organizational faith is privileged in its endeavor to spread its word, just as the Apostles were privileged to spread the Gospel. An atheist, too, is privileged to spread his theory but without purpose if it uses your kind of iconoclastic gibberish in a haughty know-all manner just to tear down solemn beliefs, just as unscrupulous religionists attack other theologies not their own.


2. Privilege is not the sole jurisdiction of authority. One is privileged to be a member of a happy family or to have good health. One is privileged to be “blest” — by that inner being of otherness — to have a keen mind, just as you feel it is your privilege without a semblance of authority to criticize me with picayune drivel.


3. Blogging is exposition — whether utter nonsense or what I believe to be honest essaying — and subjected to criticism.

on Aug 11, 2004
 To Reply #14

The pompous statement: “Language is to philosophy as breath is to human life.” serves little purpose than to show that only you possess the gift of language to decipher cryptic branches of life, yet fail to see it is not only philosophy that engages in language. Language is also the breath for common bloggers such as myself who use epistemological practicum off campus to indicate a serious personal study in the pragmatism of ideas and their embodied applications. Agnostics who are not decisively convinced that ultimate truth is unknowable, might very well engage in pursuing the manner by which one arrives at absolute truth or total denial. Since the poetic use of the term offends you, then I apologize to the monopolists of the education department at universities that claim territorial rights. However, you should apologize for misreading my point that an agnostic could conceivably engage himself — not the contrary — in attempting to understand opposing views.

As for imputing a double negative, I should have to question your reading ability on subtleties of emphasis. “Not to say is the clause with its antecedent of the previous paragraph that grants honest curiosity to the agnostic straddling the fence. Therefore, the atheist as well is not denied the same privilege of persuasion philosophically as granted the tolerant, understanding believer. Moreover, you seem to have, in addition to counterpunching, a hidden agenda in defense of your own wild precepts by babbling pretenses of my intent, which is simply to give balanced probing into the nature of the three paths. Still, you should at least allow the atheist — not a nihilist — to expect disciples who sincerely accept the idea of a non-divine universe.

I refer you to Webster’ Collegiate Dictionary: the fifth meaning of philosopher “a person who is sensibly calm or rational under trying circumstances” you might want to indulge. As for the divine in philosophy, you are flat out wrong. It means the love of wisdom, and rational investigation of views and theories pertaining to the principles of being and knowledge.

Atheists indeed are unique in character because they run counter to most other selves whose consciousness triggers some semblance of a sense of divinity. Thus an atheist is a part of a small minority of colleagues. Unless he has a strong rationale for thinking as he does, he is better off staying in the closet rather than to proclaim other thinkers are wrong; for he himself cannot deny the sense of otherness within himself even though he looks to it as a void. [And this statement does not reflect someone who is “afraid and not intellectual enough.”] Atheists logically can no more deny the existence of God than one of faith can confidently assert He exists except that the believer can fall back on faith as his support. The atheist, unless he is as emotional as some of faith, has to rely on reason that takes him to the conclusion that there is but non-Being and even then he has to grapple with admission of the concept of Being — thus, the soft-shoe. Your idea of an atheist is that of a raving lunatic — as is your epistle of criticism — who is a nihilistic and mad iconoclast who sees no beauty in, say, the giant Christmas tree at Rockefeller Plaza and insists on getting to his children early lest they start believing in Santa Claus. A rational atheist is one who accepts the reality of his environment and reluctantly respects the beliefs of others, just as a rational person of faith accepts the hard reality of non-believers and reluctantly respects that view.

I do not profess that the universe is empty of meaning but do ascribe it to an atheist as a psychological feedback of a sense of abandonment and loneliness within him, though he rises to the occasion by his innate human spirit. As for “apples and oranges,” let us say that apples are in common with faith of any kind; whereas, oranges are the fruit of non-belief and non-being — there is no bridge to understanding here but for the agnostic in his “practicum” to attempt to venture over it.

I do not deny the atheist to criticize society, but he cannot expect a society overwhelmingly religious to tear down their mosques, temples and cathedrals because they are offensive to a tiny minority. Nor should it be deprived of its celebratory symbols and holidays that do not run counter to the Constitution — as you have unreasonably offended my self-constitution. The Texas court that removed the officious monument did so by constitutional law, and all were believers.

I forgive you for having irrationally attacked the very purpose of my intention to bring reason into the discussion of difficult concepts.

 
on Aug 11, 2004
I should at least be thankful for your not using the language of Cheney. On the other hand, I might have appreciated the brevity of it. 
on Aug 11, 2004
Agnostics who are not decisively convinced that ultimate truth is unknowable, might very well engage in pursuing the manner by which one arrives at absolute truth or total denial.


That's an interesting thought, the ambivalent agnostic seeking to understand how someone can have complete assurance in their beliefs, or lack there of. No offense to agnostics of course, though it's rather humerous since formally agnosticism is defined as the belief that it is impossible for the human mind to ascertain whether or not an ultimate power exists. To believe that, in an of itself, requires a certain degree of faith or conviction, does it not?

Unless he has a strong rationale for thinking as he does, he is better off staying in the closet rather than to proclaim other thinkers are wrong; for he himself cannot deny the sense of otherness within himself even though he looks to it as a void.


While I guess I see what you're saying, I don't think I agree with anyone "staying in the closet" on their beliefs unless there's a real danger to your well being. Granted, it can be thought a bit counterproductive to "the cause" to have people who haven't thought their beliefs through talking about it, but it's not like Christians are required to know what they're talking about in their own religion just to talk about it. I mean I've met plenty of Christians who I disagree with, but they certainly know their Bible and their beliefs. At the same time, I've met many Christians who know less actual Bible than I do, and whose arguments are not particularly refined or solid, but that doesn't mean they should be "closet Christians" >8).

A rational atheist is one who accepts the reality of his environment and reluctantly respects the beliefs of others, just as a rational person of faith accepts the hard reality of non-believers and reluctantly respects that view.


Very well said, that is the sort of person I myself strive to be, though I certainly am not capable of being my best all the time.

I do not deny the atheist to criticize society, but he cannot expect a society overwhelmingly religious to tear down their mosques, temples and cathedrals because they are offensive to a tiny minority. Nor should it be deprived of its celebratory symbols and holidays that do not run counter to the Constitution — as you have unreasonably offended my self-constitution. The Texas court that removed the officious monument did so by constitutional law, and all were believers.


The atheist for the most part does not expect society to tear down its religious elements, he merely wishes that were the case, it is his "rational utopia" and ultimately a fantasy that may never come to pass. And that's okay with him, as long the other extreme of government mandating religion doesn't happen either. Hence our objection with legislation that brings us closer to this.

I should at least be thankful for your not using the language of Cheney. On the other hand, I might have appreciated the brevity of it.


Since vulgarity doesn't bother me any, I'd rather be cursed at than have my attempt at discussion dissected and dismissed due to semantic nitpicking.

on Aug 12, 2004

Since vulgarity doesn't bother me any, I'd rather be cursed at than have my attempt at discussion dissected and dismissed due to semantic nitpicking.
Then it seems we are both guilty.

I'm with you on a stern policy of separation.

on Aug 12, 2004
Merry Christmas, lets Kill A Tree for Christ!


Don't you mean for Mithras? After all, "Christmas" is just a stolen Holiday anyway, not that it matters, considering different religions ripped each others beliefs off all the time.
on Aug 12, 2004
Diplomacy and finesse are a better way to get someone to listen to you.


Nonsense. Large-calibre weapons and the determination to use them are a much better way to make people listen. They have a distinct advantage in that an audience only has to listen to them once to get the point. Those who survive the lecture are usually quite clear as to the intent and meaning of the communication - and they rarely forget it.

There would be far less babble and bullshit in politics generally, and American politics in particular, if every statement that was not convenient to the purposes of the State were terminated by a bullet. 'Democratic process' is a low vernacular of the State. Its true expression has always issued from the barrel of a gun, one levelled at the back of someone's head.

~~DivasRule~~
on Aug 12, 2004
Merry Christmas, lets Kill A Tree for Christ!


Or, as it would have been cried in the streets of medieval Europe, "Merry Christmas, lets kill a Jew for Jesus!"


~~DivasRule~~
on Aug 12, 2004
However, you should apologize for misreading my point that an agnostic could conceivably engage himself — not the contrary — in attempting to understand opposing views.


Since I was reading what was there before me on the screen - not what you intended to place there two layers of explanation later - I'm not surprised you now claim I misunderstood your point. However, the point you make is trivial when compared to the unmitigated confusion of the language its couched in, which is why I gave no attention to it in my response.

Now if you really wanted to say something cutting you could call me an atheist and remark that the absence of any comment must really mean I found it to be important, since its presence to my mind is made apparent thereby. Except you'd be wrong.

As for imputing a double negative, I should have to question your reading ability on subtleties of emphasis.


'Not' and 'not' in one sentence constitutes a double (as in twice more than one) negative. If I have trouble reading, you certainly seem to find numbers confusing.

As for the divine in philosophy, you are flat out wrong. It means the love of wisdom, and rational investigation of views and theories pertaining to the principles of being and knowledge


I refer you to Plato and Aristotle. The philosopher is possessed by erotic love for the pistic Sophia (divine wisdom) which animates the world of the Forms (in Plato) and which later was transformed by Aristotle and subsequently Aquinas into the notion of 'divine love.'

As to the
rational investigation of views and theories pertaining to the principles of being and knowledge


That would be epistemology, which is a branch of philosophy not the whole of it. Philosophy is as I said the love of divine wisdom.

Atheists indeed are unique in character because they run counter to most other selves whose consciousness triggers some semblance of a sense of divinity


'Atheists are different because they have no sense of divinity whereas the rest of us do.'

Thus an atheist is a part of a small minority of colleagues. Unless he has a strong rationale for thinking as he does, he is better off staying in the closet rather than to proclaim other thinkers are wrong; for he himself cannot deny the sense of otherness within himself even though he looks to it as a void. (...) Atheists logically can no more deny the existence of God than one of faith can confidently assert He exists except that the believer can fall back on faith as his support.


'Atheists are a small minority who would do better to keep quiet, unless absolutely convinced in their atheism, because...' at which point it all goes horribly wrong.

'Atheists logically can no more deny the existence of God than one of faith can confidently assert He exists except that the believer can fall back on faith as his support. The atheist, unless he is as emotional as some of faith, has to rely on reason that takes him to the conclusion that there is but non-Being and even then he has to grapple with admission of the concept of Being — thus, the soft-shoe.'

Atheists have to self-censor their beliefs because there's an inconsistency in their thinking? Then so should hindus, moslems, christians and every other denomination, along with philosophers, novelists, preachers, politicians, journalists... and bloggers.
Including yourself, unless you think you're exempt.

A rational atheist is one who accepts the reality of his environment and reluctantly respects the beliefs of others, just as a rational person of faith accepts the hard reality of non-believers and reluctantly respects that view.


I've never been very interested in what the rational atheists think. Have you?

In relation to the term 'practicum' I've given you the correct definition, which when applied to your sentence makes nonsense out of it. So enough on that (see? I can be brief).

Atheists do not deny the existence of God. They deny that God is anything but void. That God is void is the centre of the atheist's moral and psychological world. The atheist affirms the negative, the theist affirms the positive. It's still an affirmation of faith. Since atheists don't deny the existence of God your statement that they logically cannot is irrelevant to your own argument as well as to your comments on my response.

And if my idea of an atheist appears to be one of a raving iconoclastic lunatic its because I prefer loud lunatics to ones who sit hunched over computers quietly muttering nonsense to themselves and passing it off as philosophy. Your discussion of atheism demonstrates that you simply do not know what you are talking about. However, I'll grant that you hide your ignorance quite succesfully (due no doubt to your large vocabulary) since its taken two experiences of your 'thinking' on the matter to demonstrate this to me.

I forgive you for having irrationally attacked the very purpose of my intention to bring reason into the discussion of difficult concepts.


Well gee. Thanks. I mean, a lot. Really. And, just to help you along a little, in an age of unreality the irrational is all that makes sense.

~~DivasRule~~
on Aug 12, 2004
Atheists do not deny the existence of God. They deny that God is anything but void.


I'm sorry but I fail to see the distinction. If you're saying that Atheists believe that God exists but is inconsequential... well that goes against the very definition, so that can't be what you're saying... right?
on Aug 12, 2004

LordSH: It seems Pearl is spinning his own definitions as he imputed to me!


Pearl, I take it back: you are a professorial raving lunatic with the credentials to claim the right to divine wisdom. Incidentally, you are still flat out wrong. Plato, more or less poet than philosopher, uses myths all the time to expound philosophy, but that doesn't mean in striving for "divine wisdom" he means it literally, as though it were Jonah who swallowed the whale. Ultimate wisdom to Aristotle is indeed to repose with the gods, but he really meant splendid meditation.

on Aug 12, 2004
Pearl is very well spoken, too bad he uses his powers for the pure sake of arguing with people. Out of all the responses I've seen you give to people's posts, 95% are simply attacks on their thoughts or the way said thoughts were stated. You already firmly believe you have all the answers and are smarter, better, and more convincing than anyone else, so why waste your time on us simpletons?
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